Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Jurgen Verfaillie]

> Hi there - I don't have a playlist as I didn't write it down that
> night. Much of the show content was very similar to the next night
> when they played Cowtown Ballroom in Kansas City.
Okay, thanks...

> One thing I noticed on your site where it states that Zappa played
> both Lawrence, KS and Kansas City on the same day - Saturday Dec 2,
> 1972 - that's highly unlikely but it must be true. It just surprises
> me that they would play 2 seperate cities on the same day.
>
> Especially knowing Lawrence is only a half hour away from KC.

Well it's drawn off of Charles Ulrich's list - so it MUST be true... ;-)

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[Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Dawayne Bailey]

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Jurgen Verfaillie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks! :-)
> I've updated the listing. One thing still missing though is a 
> playlist... any way you could provide a playlist for the venue?
> 
> Much enjoyed reading your account of the event at TBN btw!
> 
> YM



Hi there - I don't have a playlist as I didn't write it down that 
night. Much of the show content was very similar to the next night 
when they played Cowtown Ballroom in Kansas City.

One thing I noticed on your site where it states that Zappa played 
both Lawrence, KS and Kansas City on the same day - Saturday Dec 2, 
1972 - that's highly unlikely but it must be true. It just surprises 
me that they would play 2 seperate cities on the same day.

Especially knowing Lawrence is only a half hour away from KC. 

Weird.





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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Jurgen Verfaillie]

> > Ahem, some horn tootin':
> >  > index.php?type=perYear&gigDate=72&order=#28>
> >
> > Not much info but hey, it's there... :-)
> >
> > YM
>
> That's great - thanks for the heads up - but it also doesn't
> say "confirmed" - I have confirmed it so now you can add that to the
> site. I appreciate the heads up to your site, though - great job!


Thanks! :-)
I've updated the listing. One thing still missing though is a 
playlist... any way you could provide a playlist for the venue?

Much enjoyed reading your account of the event at TBN btw!

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[Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Dawayne Bailey]

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Dawayne Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "SOFA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know... And neither does any FZ fan or tape site. Except 
> theBIGnote, thanks to your article ; )
> 
> 
> Bravo!



This is a post from my bass player, who drove us to that Petit Wazoo 
show on Dec 1, 1972 - this was posted recently on a Kansas musicians 
yahoogroups forum:

From: L. Dennis Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005  4:51 pm 
Subject: Re: [KS_and_KC_GenOne_Rockers] Re: Zappa  
dennisthefoxhig... 
 
 
Hey Dawayne,

I remember the night with Frank Zappa very well. If you recall, I was
driving my old VW bus at the time and we drove together from 
Manhattan to Wichita. At the end of the Wazoo show, Zappa was to 
ride with us but things got mixed up at the end and he ended up with 
someone else's ride. He was standing at the door to get in with us 
but. We caught up with him later. What a night to remember. I 
think either Earl (Dumler) or Roger (Lewis) rode with us.

Dennis Fox Higgins
VW bus driver!!!

- - - - - - - - - - 

And this is another post from another fellow Kansan musician who was 
there that night in Wichita - who is also a member of the Kansas 
musicians forum at:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/KS_and_KC_GenOne_Rockers


From: "Dennis Frans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005  9:55 am 
Subject: Zappa  
 
This may have been the same Zappa concert that I was at..long 
time ago! Opening band was Steely DanWalter Becker / Donald Fagan

I remember Frank making a comment to the audience...many of you are 
asking for old songs...this is a new band and we're going to play 
new songs ,so shut up and listen.

It was cool! The band was like an orchestra...with lighted music 
stands and Zappa in the corner directingsmoking cigarette on the 
end of his guitar.

Weird stuff, but very musical! There was a strange odor in the air 
and I probably inhaled too much of it.

Am I at the right concert Dawayne?

- - - - - - -

 






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[Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Dawayne Bailey]

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Jurgen Verfaillie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Ahem, some horn tootin':
>  index.php?type=perYear&gigDate=72&order=#28>
> 
> Not much info but hey, it's there... :-)
> 
> YM


That's great - thanks for the heads up - but it also doesn't 
say "confirmed" - I have confirmed it so now you can add that to the 
site. I appreciate the heads up to your site, though - great job!





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[Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Dawayne Bailey]

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "SOFA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know... And neither does any FZ fan or tape site. Except 
theBIGnote, thanks to your article ; )


Bravo!



> Are you aware of any site that does? 


Yes, this one - although oddly it doesn't say it's verified - I mean 
come on - I'm not just some drugged out hippy who can't remember his 
own birthday - I'm a serious Zappahead AND pro musician who 
remembers all of my career and that of FZ and my times seeing him in 
concert and visiting him at his home. I write songs with Jimmy Carl 
Black and I've contributed to the Zappalog as well as Greg Russo's 
book - so my word should be good enough:

http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/1972.html

You can also go here to this forum and see that not only I have been 
recently talking about that show, but there are others that were 
there that night, who are also musicians, and vividly recall being 
at that show with Steely Dan opening. 

It's also not a great coincidence that Steely Dan opened for FZ the 
following evening in Kansas City, which is only 3 hours away from 
Wichita.

And besides, there has to be documentation of when FZ met and heard 
Craig Twister Steward in Wichita and this was that night - Friday - 
Dec 1, 1972:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/KS_and_KC_GenOne_Rockers 



>>The only confirmation I've found is yours, and an 
interview "Twister" gave.

As I posted above, there are more guys here posting their memories 
of that Wichita show, including my bass player who drove us there 
that day from my hometown of Manhattan, KS - we got in free because 
my bass player used to play in a band with a trumpet player named 
Roger Lewis - and Lewis used to play in a band with Earle Dumler. 

Dumler is a Kansas native from the town of Russell - home of Bob 
Dole - and Dumler was a member that night of FZ's band:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/KS_and_KC_GenOne_Rockers



> But that's no big deal, really. I personally verified a show for 
Ulrich, and it happens all the time. The problem they deal with is 
the documentation; they tend to want a little more than "I remember 
when". 


"I remember when" is not my style. I have a very clear memory of all 
the things that have happened in my amazing musical journey around 
the world several times over as guitarist with Bob Seger, Chicago 
and French legend Veronique Sanson. I don't forget musical 
milestones like hanging out with Frank Zappa at a Petit Wazoo show 
in Wichita, KS.



> Ya know Dawayne, you really should contact Charles Ulrich about 
this show... I've heard he's in the process of writing a book on FZ; 
with your intimate knowledge, you might be a potential resource...


I contacted Charles about this show a year or two ago and he's added 
it to his site but it doesn't say "verified". I verify it, along 
with many others, so what's there not to verify?

And lastly, I thank you again for all your help in my obtaining so 
many FZ recordings. Much appreciated.





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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Jurgen Verfaillie]

> Both of those places are missing The Petite Wazoo show in Wichita, KS
> on Dec 1, 1972 at Century II

> I know... And neither does any FZ fan or tape site. Except theBIGnote,  
> thanks to your article ; )
> Are you aware of any site that does? The only confirmation I've found  
> is yours, and an interview "Twister" gave.

Ahem, some horn tootin':


Not much info but hey, it's there... :-)

YM



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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Jim L]

There is the online 
Zappabase.
http://www.troutmaskrecords.com/zappabase/
 
They have the venue wrong for 
77/12/31 however. Having been there I clearly remember that I was at the Pauley 
Pavillion. They don't have a 72/12/01 show ether though.

Jim L 


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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info
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Overview, or Ulrich's Giglist, I'd say...> http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/FZShowsoverview.html> 
http://zappagigs.sytes.net/> 
SOFABoth of those places are missing The Petite Wazoo show in 
Wichita, KS on Dec 1, 1972 at Century 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[SOFA]

I know... And neither does any FZ fan or tape site. Except 
theBIGnote, thanks to your article ; )
Are you aware of any site that does? The only confirmation I've found is 
yours, and an interview "Twister" gave.
But that's no big deal, really. I personally verified a show for Ulrich, 
and it happens all the time. The problem they deal with is the documentation; 
they tend to want a little more than "I remember when". Naurin goes for the 
taped evidence, Ulrich will accept a program, or press announcement, ticket stub 
or whatever. But, I have no doubt of the Wichita show, thanks to your, and 
Craig's, testimony. We'll just have to wait for the 'tour list' folks to catch 
up...
Ya know Dawayne, you really should contact Charles Ulrich about this 
show... I've heard he's in the process of writing a book on FZ; with your 
intimate knowledge, you might be a potential resource...
Regards,
SOFA

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  To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com 
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  Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert 
  InfoBoth of those places are missing The Petite Wazoo show in Wichita, 
  KS on Dec 1, 1972 at Century II.


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[Zappa-List] Re: Zappa Concert Info

[Dawayne Bailey]

--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "SOFA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Either Naurin's Overview, or Ulrich's Giglist, I'd say...
> http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/FZShowsoverview.html
> http://zappagigs.sytes.net/
> SOFA


Both of those places are missing The Petite Wazoo show in Wichita, KS 
on Dec 1, 1972 at Century II.





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