Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?

[Ali Adams]

Salam brother and barak Allah in your time and efforts in sha Allah.
 
Indeed Uthmaani is a script while Hafs is a recitation chain back to Imam Ali 
(as).
 
Tanzil text is already in accordance with Hafs recitation method.
 
The issue here is the script (Uthmaan vs Imlaaei) not the recitation method.
 
Please download the "claimed" oldest version of the Quran from:
http://www.heliwave.com/OldestQuranCopy.pdf
It was found in Russia and a copy was given to Syria and then Shaik Zayed made 
a copy of it with current text side by side.
 
The Imaleei script was a simplification of the REAL text to assist non-Arabs 
with correct pronunciation. As such it lost all the correct number of words and 
letters which Allah swt says "He counts everything in numbers" in 72:28.
 
Al-hamdu liAllah Rabb Al-3alemeen, with what Allah swt showed us about surat 
Al-Fatiha (7 verses, 29 words, 139 letters) and what we know of prime numbers 
as the cornerstone to secret writings (cryptography), Allah swt is telling us 
that Al-Fatiha is the Key or The Opener (not Introduction or Opening) and the 
Quran is named so to show Allah's miracle by keeping it readable despite it 
being encrypted at chapter level (see the word Ibrahim in surat Al-Baqarah and 
compare it to the rest of Ibrahim words in the rest of the Quran).
 
I hope this makes it clear that we cannot replace superscripted elfs with full 
elfs as this invalidates the intended count Allah swt wants for His Generous 
Text.
 
Please see the short proof for Uthmani-only text from the word Allah, surat 
Al-Fatiha, Al-Ikhlaas 9with/without BismAllah, Ayat Al-kursi (see the word 
Yaoodoohoo), and Ayat Ar-Rahmaan (with double hamza for the word "aalaa"):
 
English: http://www.heliwave.com/Primalogy.pdf
Arabic: http://www.heliwave.com/Primalogy_AR.pdf 
 
Note in case some readers are not aware of it: The word Uthmani refers to 
Uthman Taha (the scriber) not the 3rd Khalifa.
 
Salam to all and once again barak Allah feekum all, developers and users of 
Zekr software.
 
Ali
 
 



From: Mohsen Saboorian 
To: zekr@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?


Dear Ali, 
Salaamun alaikum,

Could you please cite some references regarding Uthmani script, supporting the 
argument that Quran was revealed to our Prophet (SAWW) in Uthmani script? As 
far as I know, Hafs is a widely adopted recitation of Qur'an, not a scripting 
syntax, and doesn't relate in any aspect to Uthmani script.

Regards,
Mohsen


On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Ali Adams  wrote:

Salam brother Mohsen, salam all,
> The Imlaaei script indeed makes it easy to read for non-Arabs but also makes 
>them blind to the message of prime numbers in surat Al-Fatiha making it The 
>Opener or The Key, not The Opening or Introduction.
> 
>Please remove the Imlaaei script totally and keep only the REAL Message of 
>Allah, the Uthmani script of Hafs.
>And for the word-root search,, I have already passed you my updated version to 
>Uthmani script as part of QuranCode [http://qurancode.codeplex.com].
> Islam is for all people around the Globe brothers, not just those who can 
>read Uthmani. Even English speaking person when they look at the Uthmani 
>script start questioning why the Quran sometimes uses superscript elf, yaa, 
>noon, and hamza and sometimes not.
>This is intended by Allah swt, just as the phrase Allah Akbar is meant to be 
>incomplete to arouse attention as to Abad than what?
> 
>I hope you can understand my point of view.
> 
>Barak Allah feek always for the great work toward Islam, now is the time to 
>purify it. Remove any man-made simplification please.
>
>Salam
>
>Ali Adams
>God > 
>From: Mohsen Saboorian 
>To: zekr@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?
>
>
>
>Wa Alaikumassalaam wr, 
>
>
>This is not a mistake and is actually intended. By default Zekr uses Imlaei or 
>Simple script (also check this FAQ item), which is most similar to what should 
>be pronounced. There is another type, Uthmani, which can be enabled by 
>changing your theme to Uthmani (Tools > Menu > Theme).
>
>
>You can see different Tanzil texts available here. Zekr contains both Simple 
>and Uthmani:
>http://tanzil.net/wiki/Quran_Text_Types 
>
>
>Regards,
>Mohsen
>
>
>On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM, mochamad effendi  wrote:
>
>Assalamu'alaikum,
>>
>>Dear Administrator,
>>I would like to inform you that I found differences [mistake?] in Surah 
>>At-Tawba [9]:103 compare to another Al-Qur'an mushaf.
>>In the word "salataka" Zekr use "lam-alif" while the others use "lam+waw" 
>>(please see attachments).
>>
>>I am us

Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Dear Ali,
Salaamun alaikum,

Could you please cite some references regarding Uthmani script, supporting
the argument that Quran was revealed to our Prophet (SAWW) in Uthmani
script? As far as I know, *Hafs *is a widely adopted *recitation *of
Qur'an, not a scripting syntax, and doesn't relate in any aspect to Uthmani
script.

Regards,
Mohsen

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Ali Adams  wrote:

> Salam brother Mohsen, salam all,
>
> The Imlaaei script indeed makes it easy to read for non-Arabs but also
> makes them blind to the message of prime numbers in surat Al-Fatiha making
> it The Opener or The Key, not The Opening or Introduction.
>
> Please remove the Imlaaei script totally and keep only the REAL Message of
> Allah, the *Uthmani* script of *Hafs*.
> And for the word-root search,, I have already passed you my updated
> version to Uthmani script as part of QuranCode [
> http://qurancode.codeplex.com].
>
> Islam is for all people around the Globe brothers, not just those who can
> read Uthmani. Even English speaking person when they look at the Uthmani
> script start questioning why the Quran sometimes uses superscript elf, yaa,
> noon, and hamza and sometimes not.
> This is intended by Allah swt, just as the phrase Allah Akbar is meant to
> be incomplete to arouse attention as to Abad than what?
>
> I hope you can understand my point of view.
>
> Barak Allah feek always for the great work toward Islam, now is the time
> to purify it. Remove any man-made simplification please.
>
> Salam
>
> Ali Adams
> God >
>
>   *From:* Mohsen Saboorian 
> *To:* zekr@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 3:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?
>
>  Wa Alaikumassalaam wr,
>
> This is not a mistake and is actually intended. By default Zekr uses
> Imlaei or Simple script (also check this FAQ 
> item<http://tanzil.net/wiki/FAQ#Why_Tanzil_Quran_text_is_slightly_different_from_my_printed_copy.3F>),
> which is most similar to what should be pronounced. There is another type,
> Uthmani, which can be enabled by changing your theme to Uthmani (Tools >
> Menu > Theme).
>
> You can see different Tanzil texts available here. Zekr contains both
> Simple and Uthmani:
> http://tanzil.net/wiki/Quran_Text_Types
>
> Regards,
> Mohsen
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM, mochamad effendi wrote:
>
> Assalamu'alaikum,
>
> Dear Administrator,
> I would like to inform you that I found differences [mistake?] in Surah
> At-Tawba [9]:103 compare to another Al-Qur'an mushaf.
> In the word "salataka" Zekr use "lam-alif" while the others use "lam+waw"
> (please see attachments).
>
> I am using Zekr version 1.0.0 for Linux (Ubuntu).
>
> May Allah help us.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Best regards,
> Effendi
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Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?

[Ali Adams]

Salam brother Mohsen, salam all,
 The Imlaaei script indeed makes it easy to read for non-Arabs but also makes 
them blind to the message of prime numbers in surat Al-Fatiha making it The 
Opener or The Key, not The Opening or Introduction.
 
Please remove the Imlaaei script totally and keep only the REAL Message of 
Allah, the Uthmani script of Hafs.
And for the word-root search,, I have already passed you my updated version to 
Uthmani script as part of QuranCode [http://qurancode.codeplex.com].
 Islam is for all people around the Globe brothers, not just those who can read 
Uthmani. Even English speaking person when they look at the Uthmani script 
start questioning why the Quran sometimes uses superscript elf, yaa, noon, and 
hamza and sometimes not.
This is intended by Allah swt, just as the phrase Allah Akbar is meant to be 
incomplete to arouse attention as to Abad than what?
 
I hope you can understand my point of view.
 
Barak Allah feek always for the great work toward Islam, now is the time to 
purify it. Remove any man-made simplification please.
 
Salam
 
Ali Adams
God >


From: Mohsen Saboorian 
To: zekr@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?


Wa Alaikumassalaam wr, 

This is not a mistake and is actually intended. By default Zekr uses Imlaei or 
Simple script (also check this FAQ item), which is most similar to what should 
be pronounced. There is another type, Uthmani, which can be enabled by changing 
your theme to Uthmani (Tools > Menu > Theme).

You can see different Tanzil texts available here. Zekr contains both Simple 
and Uthmani:
http://tanzil.net/wiki/Quran_Text_Types 

Regards,
Mohsen


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM, mochamad effendi  wrote:

Assalamu'alaikum,
>
>Dear Administrator,
>I would like to inform you that I found differences [mistake?] in Surah 
>At-Tawba [9]:103 compare to another Al-Qur'an mushaf.
>In the word "salataka" Zekr use "lam-alif" while the others use "lam+waw" 
>(please see attachments).
>
>I am using Zekr version 1.0.0 for Linux (Ubuntu).
>
>May Allah help us.
>
>Thankyou.
>
>Best regards,
>Effendi
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Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?

[mochamad effendi]

Thankyou very much for your explanation.

Salaam,
Effendi

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Mohsen Saboorian  wrote:

> Wa Alaikumassalaam wr,
>
> This is not a mistake and is actually intended. By default Zekr uses
> Imlaei or Simple script (also check this FAQ 
> item),
> which is most similar to what should be pronounced. There is another type,
> Uthmani, which can be enabled by changing your theme to Uthmani (Tools >
> Menu > Theme).
>
> You can see different Tanzil texts available here. Zekr contains both
> Simple and Uthmani:
> http://tanzil.net/wiki/Quran_Text_Types
>
> Regards,
> Mohsen
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM, mochamad effendi wrote:
>
>> Assalamu'alaikum,
>>
>> Dear Administrator,
>> I would like to inform you that I found differences [mistake?] in Surah
>> At-Tawba [9]:103 compare to another Al-Qur'an mushaf.
>> In the word "salataka" Zekr use "lam-alif" while the others use "lam+waw"
>> (please see attachments).
>>
>> I am using Zekr version 1.0.0 for Linux (Ubuntu).
>>
>> May Allah help us.
>>
>> Thankyou.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Effendi
>>
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Re: [zekr] Wrong alphabet?

[Mohsen Saboorian]

Wa Alaikumassalaam wr,

This is not a mistake and is actually intended. By default Zekr uses Imlaei
or Simple script (also check this FAQ
item),
which is most similar to what should be pronounced. There is another type,
Uthmani, which can be enabled by changing your theme to Uthmani (Tools >
Menu > Theme).

You can see different Tanzil texts available here. Zekr contains both
Simple and Uthmani:
http://tanzil.net/wiki/Quran_Text_Types

Regards,
Mohsen

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:32 PM, mochamad effendi wrote:

> Assalamu'alaikum,
>
> Dear Administrator,
> I would like to inform you that I found differences [mistake?] in Surah
> At-Tawba [9]:103 compare to another Al-Qur'an mushaf.
> In the word "salataka" Zekr use "lam-alif" while the others use "lam+waw"
> (please see attachments).
>
> I am using Zekr version 1.0.0 for Linux (Ubuntu).
>
> May Allah help us.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Best regards,
> Effendi
>
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