Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness

2011-02-10 Thread Dana S. Leslie
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[Zen] Lotus Posture Awareness

2011-02-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Kristy, Well, it is not just westerners. For the last ten years, our statistics shows about 80 percent of the people quit after 2 sessions, Asian or American. The reasons being meditation is like detoxing our habits... a cold turkey feeling. The first few months are tough, especially

[Zen] Re: Lotus Posture Awareness

2011-02-10 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Sorry, missing an important word. it should read, if we are tired, we can *NOT* think clearly and we can not focus. Hi Kristy, Well, it is not just westerners. For the last ten years, our statistics shows about 80 percent of the people quit after 2 sessions, Asian or American. The reasons

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Dana S. Leslie
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Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Brett,   I did for about a year and gave up. That, no doubt, can be a good practice. But it is not zen.   Anthony --- On Fri, 11/2/11, artist brettalancor...@yahoo.com wrote: From: artist brettalancor...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] visualization To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 11

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Dana S. Leslie
@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 5:01 AM I was just wondering if anyone here uses any visualization practises in their meditation. Brett. __ NOD32 5863 (20110210) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Anthony Wu
Subject: [Zen] visualization To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 5:01 AM I was just wondering if anyone here uses any visualization practises in their meditation. Brett. __ NOD32 5863 (20110210) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus

Re: [Zen] Aging and zazen--Deborah

2011-02-10 Thread Deborah Mingins
Hi Dana and Kristy- Feel free to forward or use any information I've given. There's alot more. I was on disability and couldn't work. All I could do was sit in my recliner all day. I couldn't even cook for myself. -it took too much energy. My motivator was poverty. I told myself if there's any

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Kristy McClain
Anthony,   So zen is anything  not dualistic. I'm not a zen scholar, and the way I practice zen includes compassionate service, and ethical conduct. So, technically, my zen practice  is not authentic zen.   Oh well.   I first learned about visualization froma book  called Creative Visualization 

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Brett Corbin
I have been using visualization lately and have been finding it to be very helpful.  What I do is, I go in to my normal meditation, focusing in on my breathing, when I start calming down and become aware, I visualize myself in a place I remember from my childhood.  It is in southeast Alaska, in

[Zen] Re: Mindfulness

2011-02-10 Thread Bill!
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[Zen] Re: Lotus Posture Awareness

2011-02-10 Thread Bill!
JMJM and Kristy, I think they quit mostly because they are what they would call 'bored', and they don't know how to handle boredom. They're too used to always having their mind active with conversation, TV, iPods, daydreams, fantacies, puzzle solving, etc... They just can't handle sitting

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Bill!
Kristy, A good example of a zen style pain-managment would be the scene in FIGHT CLUB where Brad Pitt pours lye on Ed Norton's hand and then guides him gently through some what I call zen-style pain managment. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthyplay1@... wrote:

Re: [Zen] Lotus Posture Awareness

2011-02-10 Thread Kristy McClain
JM,   Thanks for this!  i would agree with Bill about the boredom-thing, and their need for novelty and distraction.  people don't know  how to simply be anymore.  like the old saying abouta human-doing rather than a human-being. it seems that often people are afraid of themselves. Like doing

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Kristy McClain
Brett,   This makes a lot of sense to me.  When you  write about Alaska, I can feel it.  You are actually creating a zendo in your mind. Your last statement here tells me that you are doing  what Bill does.  You are not attached to your vision or thoughts.  To the contrary-- they simply flow

Re: [Zen] zazen, satori seekers(to Kristy/list)

2011-02-10 Thread Kristy McClain
Hi Mel,   Reading your words below reminds me why I've never looked for a guru.  There are many  reasons, some of which I am writing in a post to Anthony , along with an article. But perhaps the problem lies in the seeking itself.  Looking for answers, security, guidance, protection..  Is a

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Brett Corbin
That is an interesting point Kristy, the other day I was leading a female friend of mine in meditation, and she tried to imagine a place like I have been doing, and she said it was very difficult for her. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Thu, 2/10/11, Kristy McClain

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I do not find visualization to be compatible with the idea of being open to reality just as it is, nor to be compatible with the idea to stop all striving and just let myself decompress from my normal attempts to make myself be other than what I actually am. However, in my twenties I had about

[Zen] Re: visualization

2011-02-10 Thread eugnostos2000
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, artist brettalancorbin@... wrote: I was just wondering if anyone here uses any visualization practises in their meditation. Brett. Hi Brett. In my opinion, people often confuse zazen with other practices which are useful in their own right, but are not

Re: [Zen] Re: visualization Chris/ Steve.

2011-02-10 Thread Brett Corbin
I think you guys are right, I do not practice traditional Zen.  But I do meditate to seek enlightenment.  I also use my meditation to calm myself, receive guidance, and to ponder my reality.  Visualization in my meditation time is just one part of my practice, I do it because it is my belief 

[Zen] Opportunity and Confusion

2011-02-10 Thread audreydc1983
Unable to find employment, as a last-ditch effort, I decided to take advantage of the Vocational Rehabilitation program at the VA (Veteran's Administration). I qualified for the program, which includes payment of tuition, books, supplies, and a modest monthly stipend - all to the end of getting

[Zen] Re: visualization Chris/ Steve.

2011-02-10 Thread SteveW
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin brettalancorbin@... wrote: I think you guys are right, I do not practice traditional Zen.  But I do meditate to seek enlightenment.  I also use my meditation to calm myself, receive guidance, and to ponder my reality.  Visualization in my

Re: [Zen] visualization

2011-02-10 Thread SteveW
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthyplay1@... wrote: Anthony,   So zen is anything  not dualistic. I'm not a zen scholar, and the way I practice zen includes compassionate service, and ethical conduct. So, technically, my zen practice  is not authentic zen.  

Re: [Zen] Re: visualization Chris/ Steve.

2011-02-10 Thread Brett Corbin
Hi Steve, Thanks for the reassurance.  Enlightenment to me is an understanding of the way things our in this life, an awakening to the truth.  It is hard for me to say where my guidance comes from, I can not put a name to it, maybe God, Tao, Buddha, etc.  My reality is what I make of it.  If I

[Zen] Re: Opportunity and Confusion

2011-02-10 Thread Bill!
Audrey, I don't have any answers for you but do hope you take full advantage of this wonderful opportunity. In the long run it probably isn't as important on just what your specific choice is as you now think. The most important factor is that whatever you do you put your whole being into

[Zen] Re: visualization Chris/ Steve.

2011-02-10 Thread SteveW
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin brettalancorbin@... wrote: Hi Steve, Thanks for the reassurance.  Enlightenment to me is an understanding of the way things our in this life, an awakening to the truth.  It is hard for me to say where my guidance comes from, I can not put a