, if it is true compassion, then he/she is just
acting without any thought of compassion. He/she is just doing what they do
- just being. This is not dualistic.
Yes I can agree with that and your other post, I rest my case.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Carl cjjohans@ wrote
call them less enlightened.
Since suffering and enlightenment are conceptually unrelated in my view,
alleviation of the suffering of others is one path but not the only path to
enlightenment to me.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Hi Carl,
I agree
I disagree, what goes around comes around as Bill already mentioned (since all
is one).
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Carl,
The way you express what is I think your understanding of basic Buddhist
tenets makes me think that you have them a little
I think you misunderstood me, I'm not talking about karma just a general
principle. Both positive and negative will come back to you. So that is a valid
path to me, and easier for some as well. But believe as you choose.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Carl
.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Carl,
Alleviation of suffering is NOT a path to enlightenment (though some Buddhist
sects mistakenly claim it is). True compassion is the RESULT of enlightenment
(realization is the term I prefer). Because realization includes
One difference between mysticism and Zen that I see is the former tends to have
an emotional/devotional aspect while Zen has a balancing or even negative
approach. If the practises are completely different, how can they be expected
to lead to the same result? (For the record I consider
that is not full awakening.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Howdy, Carl,
Some training traditions emphasize and exercise practices that involve
expression of deliberate compassion, ...which is not true compassion.
You are, I think, well justified in considering
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
...and, Carl,
Heterodoxy is fine by me, too. Have at it if that is your ken.
I only write about Zen as I know it, which is Zen as it is practiced, and
realized.
I'm a practitioner. You too?
Mostly, I speak about practice and its
in such games though.)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Carl,
Good to meet you here.
Have you had any runs-ins or meetings, yourself, with those folks? I would
guess they keep their profiles largely hidden, so maybe it's hard to certain.
But have you had indications? Troubles
in other
posts).
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe wrote:
Oops, sorry, Carl,
The first part of my post is meant for Iain, not you.
Sorry, Iain!
My confusion. Too many proofs.
Carl, the part of my post relevant to you is re-quoted, below, and edited.
--Joe
Carl,
Now
The real enemy are not war criminals but the Illuminanti. They are the puppet
masters, simple minds are preferable to them. If you make progress you will
attract their attention. As has been pointed out the way is not related to
conventional morality.
11 matches
Mail list logo
