I disagree, what goes around comes around as Bill already mentioned (since all is one).
--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Carl, > > The way you express what is I think your understanding of basic Buddhist > tenets makes me think that you have them a little garbled. > > (but of course it's not necessary for a Zen practitioner to adopt those > tenets in order to practice and definitely to awaken. Some find them useful, > some don't. So let's leave them aside. The key thing is practice: effective > practice). > > Alleviating the suffering of others is not a path to awakening. > > Losing -- utterly losing -- the view that there *are* "others" *is* Awakening. > > It does not come as an act of will. > > One must forget oneself. > > It is a re-joining of the family of all life. > > Zen practice can set you up, there. > > --Joe > > > "Carl" <cjjohans@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't know that I agree with that view of nature, there are predators and > > there are herbivores, the former inflict suffering and fear the latter do > > not (in fact some plant life even "wants" to be consumed in order to > > propagate). There are the hunting parent and the nurturing parent. > > > > I also don't agree with the view that everyone who is not enlightened is > > suffering. In fact I think there are plenty who are enjoying their lives > > and seek every means to prolong it, who are even morally suspect. There are > > of course also plenty who are suffering materially, but I would not in > > general call them less enlightened. > > > > Since suffering and enlightenment are conceptually unrelated in my view, > > alleviation of the suffering of others is one path but not the only path to > > enlightenment to me. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
