--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > cjjohans, > > IMO... > > I agree with that 'mysticism' as I know and define it is quite different than > 'zen' as I know and define it. I would say however that doesn't preclude > these two different approaches from ending up at the same place, but I do > agree that would be unlikely. > Yes to me both have some validity but in different ways.
> When acts are labeled 'compassionate' by someone I agree that this is then a > dualistic judgement and concept. When the one who is said to have acted > 'compassionately' is acting, if it is true compassion, then he/she is just > acting without any thought of compassion. He/she is just doing what they do > - just being. This is not dualistic. > Yes I can agree with that and your other post, I rest my case. > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Carl" <cjjohans@> wrote: > > > > One difference between mysticism and Zen that I see is the former tends to > > have an emotional/devotional aspect while Zen has a balancing or even > > negative approach. If the practises are completely different, how can they > > be expected to lead to the same result? (For the record I consider > > compassion as also having dualistic/attachment aspects to it.) > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > Interesting . . . this corresponds to roughly to the stations in Sufism, > > > Fana being the final stage, empty, burned up . . . of course Sufism as > > > has a so-called sober school. Hallaj would be an example of Fana. > > > > > > thanks joe > > > > > > /\ > > > > > > zendervish > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Salik, > > > > > > > > It's always reminded me, too, a little, of the Riddle of the Sphinx. > > > > > > > > But it exemplifies directly the stages of a person's "career", > > > > vis-a-vis Zen practice: > > > > > > > > At first, no awakening; > > > > then, awakening; > > > > then, natural integration of awakening into every facet and detail of > > > > daily life, as realization, and not a trace of awakening remains, and > > > > no one can smell it. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Thanks . . . that one says a lot . . . we think we know, then we see, > > > > > through zazen, then when we know, well we don't know > > > > > > > > > > perhaps big mind applies here, but that is just another concept. > > > > > > > > > > Just this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uhhhhh, I dunno > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
