I think you misunderstood me, I'm not talking about "karma" just a general principle. Both positive and negative will come back to you. So that is a valid path to me, and easier for some as well. But believe as you choose.
--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Carl, > > Now, now. I don't say "do harm". Nor neglect anyone who you can help. > > Disagree with yourself, then. That may be a path to awakening too. But... > > I say -- Master Dogen says -- forget yourself. > > What's the harm in that? > > LOSE the view that there are "others": *that* is Awakening. > > There is no "other"; nor any other awakening. > > --Joe > > > "Carl" <cjjohans@> wrote: > > > > I disagree, what goes around comes around as Bill already mentioned (since > > all is one). > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > > > Carl, > > > > > > The way you express what is I think your understanding of basic Buddhist > > > tenets makes me think that you have them a little garbled. > > > > > > (but of course it's not necessary for a Zen practitioner to adopt those > > > tenets in order to practice and definitely to awaken. Some find them > > > useful, some don't. So let's leave them aside. The key thing is > > > practice: effective practice). > > > > > > Alleviating the suffering of others is not a path to awakening. > > > > > > Losing -- utterly losing -- the view that there *are* "others" *is* > > > Awakening. > > > > > > It does not come as an act of will. > > > > > > One must forget oneself. > > > > > > It is a re-joining of the family of all life. > > > > > > Zen practice can set you up, there. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
