Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Well, the interesting thing in Guns, Germs and Steel is that the conditions of power arose from other more picayune conditions to do with the distribution of seed sizes and domesticable animals and the orientation of continents. It really wasn't an innate lust for power either, just a simple rando

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The sentence I was disagreeing with is: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Maria Lopez wrote: > My view about the human race is that the bad people are always the winers > and the ones who promote real civilization based are always the losers. It certainly doesn't offend me that you believe this!

RE: [Zen] If you save a life

2010-09-19 Thread BillSmart
s not worked. I suggest you continue with the 'soft sell' that has not worked for another 15 years. And then another, and another... ...Bill! __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5462 (20100919) __ The message was checke

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Maria Lopez
  Hello Chris:   Have I been excessively cynical???.  In which way?.  I don't understand.  I'm surprise of your feedback. ,  Howevr, I stick to what I wrote because this is the way I see it..  Sorry if that sound as an offense to you.   Mayka. --- On Sun, 19/9/10, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: Fro

Re: [Zen] If you save a life

2010-09-19 Thread Anthony Wu
Tim,   Can you be more specific?   Anthony --- On Sun, 19/9/10, tim wrote: From: tim Subject: [Zen] If you save a life To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 19 September, 2010, 9:14 AM   The Jews and Muslims share a saying: If you save a life, it's as if you saved the world. That'

[Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > The West has caused so much havoc over other cultures because of the conditions they found themselves in, not because of some enduring badness in them. No there is no enduring goodness or badness in *any* ethnic, racial, religiou

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Mayka; I almost never disagree with anything you right, but I think you are being excessively cynical here. The West has caused so much havoc over other cultures because of the conditions they found themselves in, not because of some enduring badness in them. The Guns, Germs & Steel book is a ve

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread mike brown
ED and Aud, I think a "sorry" here is the same as when we say "I'm sorry" when we hear of someone else's misfortune. It shows empathy and neither indicates blame nor guilt. Mike From: ED To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 19 September, 2010 22:28:18 S

[Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "audreydc1983" wrote: > > Yep, I agree with you - the situation in Australia is a whole different (although somewhat similar) can of worms. > But - honestly - couldn't John Howard have just issued a statement to the Aboriginal people acknowledging the "mistake

Re: [Zen] Re: Sharing religions

2010-09-19 Thread Maria Lopez
Audrey Wrote: "I asked myself, about a year ago, WHY our ancestors had better technology (and therefore an advantage in conquering less developed nations". --- The expression of  "less develop nations" is no more than a very igno

Re: [Zen] If you save a life

2010-09-19 Thread Maria Lopez
Hello Tim:   Preventing to commit suicide is a very noble intention. May I ask you how do you intent to prevent that to happen to your friend?.  What is going to be your action here to persuade your friend?.    Thanks Mayka         --- On Sun, 19/9/10, tim wrote: From: tim Subject: [Zen] If