Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread uerusuboyo
M,br/br/I began practicing Zen 10 years, or so, ago. I discovered Vipassana meditation about 5 years ago. I have found that Vipassana explains things that Zen leaves empty (pun noted). My (Zen) practice has deepened considerably since discovering Vipassana and one of the factors is focusing on

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread uerusuboyo
Bill!,br/br/Would you say that when you are in shikantaza that you are also in samadhi?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Bill!
Mike and M, Counting breaths (and chanting, bowing, koans, etc...) are just techniques used to focus the mind on repetitive thoughts to the point where it shuts down (usually out of boredom) which allows the experience of Buddha Nature. Any way you can halt the creation of dualism

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Bill!
Mike, Yes, I just posted something about that. To me they are the same: samadhi and shikantaza. Wikipedia defines 'samadhi' as a non-dualistic state of consciousness in which the consciousness of the experiencing subject becomes one with the experienced object which is a pretty good

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Bore yourself into enlightenment? That's a new one! Edgar On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: Mike and M, Counting breaths (and chanting, bowing, koans, etc...) are just techniques used to focus the mind on repetitive thoughts to the point where it shuts down (usually

[Zen] CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

2013-07-30 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
Dear all, I have doubts on Ramana Teachings, can anyone clarify me on this? Read below the extract from A SADHU’S REMINISCENCES and NAAN YAAR (Who am I) - D: Will there not be

[Zen] There are not two minds - one good and the other evil

2013-07-30 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
Dear all, The most delighted words of Ramana by me. - Without yielding to the doubt Is it possible, or not?, one should persistently hold on to the meditation on the Self. Even if one be

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread uerusuboyo
Bill!,br/br/If you have time, take a look at this 1995 newsletter from Chan Center. br/br/http://chancenter.org/cmc/1995/02/01/shikantaza-and-silent-illumination/br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Bore yourself with the dualistic productions, seems useful to me. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jul 30, 2013 3:28 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Bill, Bore yourself into enlightenment? That's a new one! Edgar On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: Mike and M,

Re: [Zen] There are not two minds - one good and the other evil

2013-07-30 Thread Eccentrics.R.US
I am new to the Zen Forum and have not heard of this author, but now I am interested in reading more. Thank you very much M On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:17 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN varam...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, The most delighted words of Ramana by me.

Re: [Zen] Movie trailer for Zorba the Greek

2013-07-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
My dad read breakdown of the bicameral mind when I was a kid, but talked so much about it I always believed I had a sufficient grasp of the contents. I rather enjoyed Zen and the Art of Archery, tho I have also read this critique:

Re: [Zen] Movie trailer for Zorba the Greek

2013-07-30 Thread larry maher
Yeah sorry that should be AYPsite.com, my fault. Thanks for the book titles, I'll look for them. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.netwrote: ** My dad read breakdown of the bicameral mind when I was a kid, but talked so much about it I always believed I

[Zen] Re: Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Bill!
Mike, I did read this newsletter and thought it was excellent! The only exception I would have with it is its claim that When the method of silent illumination was taken to Japan it was changed somewhat. The name given to it, just sitting, means just paying attention to sitting or just keeping

Re: [Zen] Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Bill!
Edgar, By 'boredom' I mean that the intellect (aka 'monkey mind') has become bored by repetitive thoughts or exhausted itself trying to 'figure out' a koan, and finally shuts down. I use the term 'quiesce' to describe this which means to cease functioning temporarily, but can be restarted.

Re: [Zen] Re: Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Eccentrics.R.US
I too went to the ChanCenter and also enjoyed many readings today. I don't know where I found the following link, http://amidatrust.ning.com/ but they were offering a link to a free kindle book from amazon called 'Not Everything is Impermanent' by Dharmavidya David Brazier. I was too late to

Re: [Zen] There are not two minds - one good and the other evil

2013-07-30 Thread Bill!
M, Ramana writes from a Hindu perspective so when reading books like this you will have to wade through a lot of Hindu terminology. Theoretically he is writing about the same experience as we discuss in zen: awakening, Buddha Nature. I find some of it very interesting and helps me see a

Re: [Zen] There are not two minds - one good and the other evil

2013-07-30 Thread Eccentrics.R.US
I did not put the name Ramana to the popular maharishi I knew of in the 60's. As I noted to Suresh in a later post, Ramana was very popular with rock stars, movie stars and the youth of the decade and even though I stopped and read a little about Ramana while I was younger, I was more interested

Re: [Zen] Re: Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Eccentrics.R.US
I also found an article on Tricycle http://www.tricycle.com/feature/joy-effort by Thanissaro Bhikkhu, titled The Joy of Effort. From the website article: Now, the Buddha wasn’t telling Rahula to become a passive clod of dirt. He was teaching Rahula to be grounded, to develop his powers of

Re: [Zen] There are not two minds - one good and the other evil

2013-07-30 Thread Merle Lester
 yes i have books here on my shelf by watts from my early 20's..the days of wine and roses..the salad days..merle   I did not put the name Ramana to the popular maharishi I knew of in the 60's.  As I noted to Suresh in a later post, Ramana was very popular with rock stars, movie stars and

[Zen] Free copy of The Dream of Culture from nervous nellie

2013-07-30 Thread Merle Lester
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[Zen] Zen Mountain Monastery: Dharma Discourses by Daido Roshi

2013-07-30 Thread Merle Lester
for M...cheers merle http://mro.org/zmm/teachings/discourses.php