M,br/br/I began practicing Zen 10 years, or so, ago. I discovered Vipassana
meditation about 5 years ago. I have found that Vipassana explains things that
Zen leaves empty (pun noted). My (Zen) practice has deepened considerably since
discovering Vipassana and one of the factors is focusing on
Bill!,br/br/Would you say that when you are in shikantaza that you are also
in samadhi?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Mike and M,
Counting breaths (and chanting, bowing, koans, etc...) are just techniques used
to focus the mind on repetitive thoughts to the point where it shuts down
(usually out of boredom) which allows the experience of Buddha Nature.
Any way you can halt the creation of dualism
Mike,
Yes, I just posted something about that. To me they are the same: samadhi and
shikantaza.
Wikipedia defines 'samadhi' as a non-dualistic state of consciousness in which
the consciousness of the experiencing subject becomes one with the experienced
object which is a pretty good
Bill,
Bore yourself into enlightenment?
That's a new one!
Edgar
On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote:
Mike and M,
Counting breaths (and chanting, bowing, koans, etc...) are just techniques
used to focus the mind on repetitive thoughts to the point where it shuts
down (usually
Bill!,br/br/If you have time, take a look at this 1995 newsletter from Chan
Center.
br/br/http://chancenter.org/cmc/1995/02/01/shikantaza-and-silent-illumination/br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent
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Bore yourself with the dualistic productions, seems useful to me.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 30, 2013 3:28 AM, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Bill,
Bore yourself into enlightenment?
That's a new one!
Edgar
On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote:
Mike and M,
Edgar,
By 'boredom' I mean that the intellect (aka 'monkey mind') has become bored by
repetitive thoughts or exhausted itself trying to 'figure out' a koan, and
finally shuts down. I use the term 'quiesce' to describe this which means to
cease functioning temporarily, but can be restarted.
Hal,
The technique of counting breathes as you've described below is how I was first
taught to meditate (zazen) over 40 years ago and I use that technique to begin
my meditation sessions to this day.
Along the way I was also introduced to other techniques which can accomplish
the same thing
Hal, Bill!,br/br/I guess counting the breath is 'bread and butter' for most
people starting out (and also for seasoned meditators). I have found, however,
that the meditation on the breath as taught in the sutras says nothing
whatsoever about counting our breaths. Instead, we just focus on the
Mike,
Counting the breaths is just the initial part of the teaching technique, at
least as it was taught to me. The full techniques is:
1. Counting the breath:
1.1 - 1 on 1xhale, 2 on inhale, etc..., to 10 and then repeat
1.2 - 1 on exhale, 2 on next exhale, etc..., to 10 and then repeat
Bill!,br/br/When you put shikantaza into practice, is there a conscious
decision to drop the following of the breath which leads into shikantaza, or
does it just naturally cease? When I enter the jhanas/samadhi, I find the
breath becomes so fine/subtle that it seems to have stopped. This
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Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 11:33:57 AM
Mike,
Counting the breaths is just the initial part of the teaching technique, at
least as it was taught to me. The full
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Mike,
Counting the breaths is just the initial part of the teaching technique,
at least as it was taught to me
uerusuboyo replied I guess counting the breath is 'bread and butter' for
most people starting out (and also for seasoned meditators). I have found,
however, that the meditation on the breath as taught in the sutras says
nothing whatsoever about counting our breaths. Instead, we just focus on
the
Hi M,
In Chan practice, instead of noticing body sensations, we actually ask
our practitioners to focus on Ten major chakras (acupressure points)
inside of our body.
This not only redirects our mind, connects to the state of being of our
body, also rejuvenating our major organs, so that we
Hello everyone and thank you for the welcome,
it has been over 10 years since i was in groups
at yahoo. i belonged to a yahoo sangha group
way back in 2005 that has since closed down.
If you have any suggestions about my posting
correctly, please don't hesitate to let me know.
This is my first
Mike,
Shikantaza is like that. It does seem to be something you 'slide' into, and
although afterwards you can say that one moment you're not there and the next
moment you are, there is no awareness of the transition when it happens.
...Bill!
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I am brand new, but did read a rule that says to keep it Zen and that is
good enuf for me.
I have only seen 2 posts since I joined up, so have not been lucky enough
to see other
letters on any subjects. I have been researching Pain and then saw this
book of Fabers where he
says separation from
He might be right? But it's just one opinion based on another guy's (Freud)
opinion who based his opinion on another's opinion.
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