Yes, how true. Scientifically, we evoke stress whenever our decision making
processes are in play.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN varam...@gmail.comwrote:
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Thinking of future and future problems might create anxiety and stress.
However, that is not when the
On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote:
Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the thought world
of past and future.
The thought world can only exist now.
Thoughts, arising and passing, now.
Thought, is an aspect of now.
Another word for what you are describing as the
Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and future. As
far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the present. There is only
experience in the present, and experience preceeds thought.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually rolling
by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course, who knows?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
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Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and
All thoughts, afterthoughts.
All actions, reactions.
Seemly that, Seamless this.
The neural lag/disconnect are aspects of 'Maya', the dance or interplay
(Lila) therewith. In that sense, illusory. Like time.
Nothing escapes Indra's net, nothing caught by it. Only the ever-present
interweaving
More to the point, who thinks they need to? ;)
On 8/27/2013 3:30 PM, larry maher wrote:
The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually
rolling by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course,
who knows?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill!
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this stuff all
day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall 'victim' to this
world without even knowing it.The best I can do is to remember to remember.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
Falling 'victim' to this world may apear to be a trap, or a frenzied
game of in and out like 'Whack-aMole', or some twisted Fun House mirror
maze - but how else can this appear? ;)
Seeking to escape such appearances, to seek to only have personally
preferable experiences, is what Siddhartha
Really good stuff, thanks. I used 'victim' as a sort of a what? joke? quick
word? Anyway you sound really really adept in this shit. envy you? You must
lead a very happy, fulfilling life? Unfortunately for me I was born as far
away being an avatar as one motherf'' er can get. Brooklyn street kid
Joke, Cosmic or otherwise (which of course isn't), is as good a word
as any. The serious practitioner/religious types tend to take offense if
anyone suggests there is a punchline to 'enlightenment'.
Adept? Now that's funny. This shit is simply what it is, and never what
we think it is.
On 8/27/2013 8:08 PM, larry maher wrote:
You must lead a very happy, fulfilling life?
PS - Seriously, how f'ing boring would THAT be?
Like it or not, contrasts reveal highlights.
Only the darkness can carry the light, only the light can fill the
darkness..
KG
Andrew,
What this statement means to me is the the PERCEPTION (thoughts about) 'now'
(experience) might have the shelf-life of 3 seconds, but perceptions are not
experience.
All thoughts, IMO, are either memories (past) or projections (future), both of
which are delusions. Only experience is
Larry, We all fall victim to it. That's all part of being human.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this stuff all
day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall 'victim' to this
What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can
be found.
There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just aspects
of this. To call this eternally ever-presently unfolding experiencing
'the now' is preposterous. But then so is any way of saying this. ;)
Awakening, to perpetual free-fall...
KG
On 8/27/2013 9:20 PM, Bill! wrote:
Larry, We all fall victim to it. That's all part of being human.
...Bill!
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larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on.
Why read, interpret, and re-dictate this stuff if it's not making you
happy? Or would you rather be an erudite simply content with winning every
argument or, in this case, creating one where one isn't Jesus
Christ! Or is it Buddha! Or Vishnu? Lighten up dude, all victories are
Pyrrhic.
Kris,
I'm not drawing any maps. I'm just saying we are always HERE.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can
be found.
There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just
Bill!,br/br/There's nothing wrong with maps as long as they're not taken to
be the 'real' destination. Same as time (clocks) and spiritual paths (although,
of course, there is a danger in believing that a spiritual path leads to a
destination). These are good examples of Buddha's teaching that
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* Subject: * Re: [Zen] SOURCE OF STRESS
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Kris,
I'm not drawing any maps. I'm just saying we are always HERE.
...Bill!
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