Good stuff
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Bill!, > > There's nothing wrong with maps as long as they're not taken to be the > 'real' destination. Same as time (clocks) and spiritual paths (although, of > course, there is a danger in believing that a spiritual path leads to a > "destination"). These are good examples of Buddha's teaching that there are > 2 truths - relative truth and absolute truth. As long as the relative is > not taken as the ultimate, and vice-versa, then the ultimate truth will not > be obscured. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Bill! <[email protected]>; > * To: * <[email protected]>; > * Subject: * Re: [Zen] SOURCE OF STRESS > * Sent: * Wed, Aug 28, 2013 2:10:16 AM > > > > Kris, > > I'm not drawing any maps. I'm just saying we are always HERE. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote: > > > > What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can > > be found. > > > > There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just aspects > > of this. To call this eternally ever-presently unfolding experiencing > > 'the now' is preposterous. But then so is any way of saying this. ;) > > > > Like I just said to Larry: We are lost in drawing our own maps... > > > > KG > > > > On 8/27/2013 9:18 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > > > What this statement means to me is the the PERCEPTION (thoughts about) > > > 'now' (experience) might have the shelf-life of 3 seconds, but > > > perceptions are not experience. > > > > > > All thoughts, IMO, are either memories (past) or projections (future), > > > both of which are delusions. Only experience is now. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > larry maher <lcmaher22@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually > > > rolling > > > > by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course, who > knows? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > > > > > I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and > > > future. > > > > > As far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the present. There > > > is only > > > > > experience in the present, and experience preceeds thought. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/27/2013 12:14 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > > > > > > Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the > > > thought world > > > > > > > of past and future. > > > > > > > > > > > > The "thought world" can only exist "now". > > > > > > Thoughts, arising and passing, now. > > > > > > Thought, is an aspect of now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another word for what you are describing as "the thought world > > > of past > > > > > > and future" is simply 'imagination', which can only presents as a > > > > > > problem to the extent you believe it to be separate or otherwise > > > > > > different from "now". In an of itself, such thinking is just > > > thinking. A > > > > > > useful survival mechanism. Realizing this, it serves. Deluded by > > > this, > > > > > > it hinders. "Now". > > > > > > > > > > > > KG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > *Larry Maher* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Larry Maher*
