[zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Taps
Folks, This is probably a very naive question. Is it possible to set zfs for bi-directional synchronization of data across two locations? I am thinking this is almost impossible. Consider two files A and B at two different sites. There are three possible cases that require synchronization:

[zfs-discuss] ZFS + WebDAV + AD integration

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Taps
Folks, I now know that ZFS is capable of preserving AD account sids. I have verified the scenario with CIFS integration. I am now wondering if it is possible to achieve a similar AD integration over WebDAV. Is it possible to retain security permissions on files and folders over WebDAV? Thank

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Taps
Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained product, have you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with OpenSolaris, we aren't going anywhere. (Full disclosure: I'm a Nexenta Systems employee. :-) -- Garrett Hi Garrett, I would like to know why you think Nexenta

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 01:06 -0700, Peter Taps wrote: Btw, if you want a commercially supported and maintained product, have you looked at NexentaStor? Regardless of what happens with OpenSolaris, we aren't going anywhere. (Full disclosure: I'm a Nexenta Systems employee. :-) --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-14 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/14/10 07:10 PM, Peter Taps wrote: Folks, This is probably a very naive question. Is it possible to set zfs for bi-directional synchronization of data across two locations? I am thinking this is almost impossible. Consider two files A and B at two different sites. There are three

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 04:28:44PM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: If you're new to solaris etc, I might not recommend the Dell because installation isn't straightforward. Hardware support exists, but it's less enterprise than what you might expect. The sun hardware is the recommended way to go,

[zfs-discuss] zfs clone but destroy impossible in os2009.06 (b111)

2010-07-14 Thread Gerard Henry
hello all, i guess i hit the bug: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7491 on my system: # zfs list rpool/zones/catalogue3 NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT rpool/zones/catalogue3 10.1G 7.17G70K /zones/catalogue3 # zfs destroy rpool/zones/catalogue3 cannot

[zfs-discuss] How to calculate space consumption of some snapshots

2010-07-14 Thread Henu
Hello Among all my snapshots, I'm interested about space consumption of some of them. Is it possible to calculate how much space would be freed if I destroy only some of all snapshots? Henrik Heino ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to calculate space consumption of some snapshots

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - Hello Among all my snapshots, I'm interested about space consumption of some of them. Is it possible to calculate how much space would be freed if I destroy only some of all snapshots? zfs list -t snapshot that'll show you their sizes as well as other details

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to calculate space consumption of some snapshots

2010-07-14 Thread Henu
Among all my snapshots, I'm interested about space consumption of some of them. Is it possible to calculate how much space would be freed if I destroy only some of all snapshots? zfs list -t snapshot that'll show you their sizes as well as other details Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Not in my neck of the woods, Sun have always been most competitive. You find Sun to be a better deal than Supermicro? Especially, when you're sticking a very large number of disks into it, and can't source the diskless

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - On 7/12/10 Jul 12, 10:49 AM, Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.com wrote: Out of sheer curiosity - and I'm not disagreeing with you, just wondering - how does ZFS make money for Oracle when they don't charge for it? Do you think it's such an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
I wish I am wrong, but looks to me pretty much game over, folks: Oracle appeared to be complete idiots towards the community. Same probably will happen to Java. Once the code is in the open, it'll remain there. To quote Cory Doctorow on this, it's easy release the source of a project, it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Linder, Doug
Dave Pooser wrote: I'm looking at a new web server for the company, and am considering Solaris specifically because of ZFS. (Oracle's lousy sales model-- specifically the unwillingness to give a price for a Solaris support contract without my having to send multiple emails to multiple

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Not in my neck of the woods, Sun have always been most competitive. You find Sun to be a better deal than Supermicro? Especially, when you're sticking a very large number of disks into it, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:42 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 04:28:44PM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: If you're new to solaris etc, I might not recommend the Dell because installation isn't straightforward. Hardware support exists, but it's less enterprise than what you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:43 +0900, BM wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Not in my neck of the woods, Sun have always been most competitive. You find Sun to be a better deal than Supermicro? Especially, when you're sticking a very large number of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Linder, Doug
Erik Trimble wrote: OEM equipment has a whole bunch of different features that you can't get via a build-it-yourself rig like Supermicro (even if you are having a whitebox vendor assemble the Supermicro and not do it yourself). Not just Sun equipment, but all OEM equipment is in a totally

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:18:59AM -0700, Erik Trimble wrote: Not to beat a dead horse here, but that's an Apples-to-Oranges No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. comparison (it's raining idioms!). You can't compare an OEM server (Dell, Sun, whatever) to a custom-built box from a parts

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: But you're not doing an equal comparison. Thanks for the enlightening. I am also working in a datacenter, like you do, so I am also perfectly aware about hardware just like you are — that's for the record. I've picked

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 07:18:59AM -0700, Erik Trimble wrote: Not to beat a dead horse here, but that's an Apples-to-Oranges No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. comparison (it's raining idioms!). You can't compare an OEM server (Dell, Sun, whatever) to a

[zfs-discuss] invalid vdev configuration meltdown

2010-07-14 Thread Tim Castle
My raidz1 (ZFSv6) had a power failure, and a disk failure. Now: j...@opensolaris:~# zpool import pool: files id: 3459234681059189202 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices contains corrupted data. action: The pool cannot be imported due to

Re: [zfs-discuss] invalid vdev configuration meltdown

2010-07-14 Thread Mark J Musante
What does 'zpool import -d /dev' show? On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Tim Castle wrote: My raidz1 (ZFSv6) had a power failure, and a disk failure. Now: j...@opensolaris:~# zpool import pool: files id: 3459234681059189202 state: UNAVAIL status: One or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Peter Taps Is it possible to set zfs for bi-directional synchronization of data across two locations? I am thinking this is almost impossible. Consider You are probably looking for lustre,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Erik Trimble Not to beat a dead horse here, but that's an Apples-to-Oranges comparison (it's raining idioms!). You can't compare an OEM server (Dell, Sun, whatever) to a custom-built box

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey When you pay for the higher prices for OEM hardware, you're paying for the knowledge of parts availability and compatibility. And a single point vendor who supports the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Peter Taps Is it possible to set zfs for bi-directional synchronization of data across two locations? I am thinking this is almost impossible. Consider

Re: [zfs-discuss] Encryption?

2010-07-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Peter Taps wrote: Any business that is dependent on zfs must plan for two things as a contingency: 1. Look for an alternative for zfs 2. Look for an alternative for OpenSolaris The existing OpenSolaris and zfs code bases are quite viable products today. If Oracle

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey When you pay for the higher prices for OEM hardware, you're paying for the knowledge of

[zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Daniel Taylor
Hello, I'm about the build a opensolaris NAS system, currently we have two drives and are planning on adding two more at a later date (2TB enterprise level HDD are a bit expensive!). Whats the best configuration for setting up these drives bearing in mind I want to expand in the future? I

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Dave Pooser
On 7/14/10 Jul 14, 2:58 PM, Daniel Taylor dan...@kaweb.co.uk wrote: I was thinking of mirroring the drives and then converting to raidz some how? Not possible. You can start with a mirror and then add another mirror; the filesystem will spread data across both drives in a way analogous* to RAID

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Daniel, No conversion from a mirrored to RAIDZ configuration is available yet. Mirrored pools are more flexible and generally provide good performance. You can easily create a mirrored pool of two disks and then add two more disks later. You can also replace each disk with larger disks if

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: It is true there's no new build published in the last 3 months. But you can't use that to assume they're killing the community. Hmm, the community seems to think they're killing the community:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Once the code is in the open, it'll remain there. To quote Cory Doctorow on this, it's easy release the source of a project, it's like adding ink to your swimming pool, but it's a little harder to remove the ink from the pool... Woo-hoo, the

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Yes, that is true. If you have 4 2 TB drives, you would only get 4 TBs of usable disk space in a mirrored config. The problem I see with your potential RAIDZ config, if I understand it correctly, is that you can't add more disks to an existing RAIDZ config. You would need to create a 3 disk

[zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Beau J. Bechdol
So not sue if this is the correct list to email to or not. I am curious to know on my machine I have two hard drive (c8t0d0 and c8t1d0). Can some one explain to me what this exactly means? What does c8 t0 and d0 actually mean. I might have to go back to solaris 101 to understand what this all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Remco Lengers
Beau, Not the right list but C=controller, T=target (SCSI), D= disk number (or LUN), S=slice number. Google in solaris disk names yielded lots of good results like: http://initialprogramload.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-solaris-disk-device-names-work.html ..Remco On 7/14/10 11:07 PM, Beau J.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Beau J. Bechdol bbech...@gmail.com wrote: So not sue if this is the correct list to email to or not. I am curious to know on my machine I have two hard drive (c8t0d0 and c8t1d0). Can some one explain to me what this exactly means? What does c8 t0 and d0

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:07:59PM -0600, Beau J. Bechdol wrote: So not sue if this is the correct list to email to or not. I am curious to know on my machine I have two hard drive (c8t0d0 and c8t1d0). Can some one explain to me what this exactly means? What does c8 t0 and d0 actually mean. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Beau, The naming breaks down like this: c=controller t=target d=disk Some controllers use a target to provide a unique address for each disk. Others do not use a target and those disks would be named like c8d0 or c8d1. The graphic in Figure 5-1 here is slightly askew but describes Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris Filesystem

2010-07-14 Thread Beau J. Bechdol
Thank you all for the information! I do appreciate it! -Beau ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, July 14, 2010 14:58, Daniel Taylor wrote: I'm about the build a opensolaris NAS system, currently we have two drives and are planning on adding two more at a later date (2TB enterprise level HDD are a bit expensive!). Do you really need them? Now? Maybe 1TB drives are good now, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-14 Thread David Magda
On Jul 14, 2010, at 05:15, Ian Collins wrote: Use a version control tool like hg or svn! Or Unison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unison_(file_synchronizer) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Daniel Taylor
Cindy, Hmm, I've using RAIDZ-2 on a nexentastor elsewhere (although that has 15 disks) and having looked quite a bit I agree that mirroring is very flexible in comparison. I'll have to think about it and see if I can afford to lose the 2TB's. The other solution I can think off is to

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Cindy Swearingen
You can't transition a mirrored pool to a RAIDZ pool with an pool export/import. If you find any info that says you can, please send a pointer. You would need to do these important middle steps: If you transition from a mirrored configuration to a RAIDZ configuration, you would need to backup

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Daniel Taylor
Sorry I think I used the wrong terms there, still learning, I think what I meant was send/receive rather than import/export. Would it be possible to use zfs send to backup the data somewhere (I'll work that bit out later), then receive it into the new pool? And if I did that would I keep

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Yes, if you created snapshots of your file systems and stored them remotely, you could receive them into the new pool. I recommend that you test this process a few times before attempting the transition. Thanks, Cindy On 07/14/10 16:21, Daniel Taylor wrote: Sorry I think I used the wrong

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Daniel Taylor
Perfect. Thank you you've been a great help, I have lots to think about (and test) now! Thanks again, nice to know this list is so responsive! - Daniel On 14 Jul 2010, at 23:34, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Yes, if you created snapshots of your file systems and stored them remotely, you could

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA 6G controller for OSOL

2010-07-14 Thread valrh...@gmail.com
Thanks for all of the help. I now have the Asus U3S6 installed. There are two SATA ports on the board, and I've plugged one into the CD-ROM drive, and the other for my SSD being used as an L2ARC. Upon booting the machine, I get the message: Marvell 88SE91xx Adapter, BIOS version 0.0.1012 It

[zfs-discuss] Who owns the dataset?

2010-07-14 Thread Johnson Earls
Hello, How would I go about finding out which zone owns a particular dataset from a script running in the global zone? We have some ZFS datasets that can float between zones on different servers in order to provide a manual application failover mechanism. I've got scripts that gather disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread Carson Gaspar
Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Daniel, No conversion from a mirrored to RAIDZ configuration is available yet. Well... you can do it, but it's a bit byzantine, and leaves you without redundancy during the migration. 1) Add your new disks 2) Create a sparse file at least as large as your

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote: ZFS is great. It's pretty much the only reason we're running Solaris. Well, if this is the the only reason, then run FreeBSD instead. I run Solaris because of the kernel architecture and other things that Linux or any BSD

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 13:59 -0700, Paul B. Henson wrote: On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Once the code is in the open, it'll remain there. To quote Cory Doctorow on this, it's easy release the source of a project, it's like adding ink to your swimming pool, but it's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I'll second that.  And I think this is how you can tell the difference: With supermicro, do you have a single support number to call and a 4hour onsite service response time? Yes. BTW, just for the record,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: The *code* is probably not going away (even updates to the kernel). Even if the community dies, is killed, or commits OGB induced suicide. 1. You used correct word: probably. 2. No community = stale outdated code.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 11:48 +0900, BM wrote: But hey, why to fork ZFS and mess with a stale Solaris code, if the entire future of Solaris is a closed proprietary payware anyway? And opposite to ZFS, we have totally free BTRFS that has been moved to the kernel.org and is *free* and is for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: BM [mailto:bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com] latest (just a week ago): Apple Support reported me that their engineers in US has no green idea why Darwin kernel panics on their Stop it... You did *not* just use apple and support in the same sentence, did you?? ;-) You almost made me spray

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: That said, as you appear to be so firmly convinced that there is no possible positive way forward for ZFS or Solaris, I recommend you go elsewhere instead of apparently wasting your time here. Thanks a lot for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread BM
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: latest (just a week ago): Apple Support reported me that their engineers in US has no green idea why Darwin kernel panics on their Stop it...  You did *not* just use apple and support in the same sentence, did you??  ;-)  You almost

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:27 PM, BM bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: I'll second that. And I think this is how you can tell the difference: With supermicro, do you have a single support number to call and a