Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes (and ZFS recovery guide links)

2009-07-01 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Ian Collins wrote: David Magda wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 14:08, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I have seen UPSs help quite a lot for short glitches lasting seconds, or a minute. Otherwise the outage is usually longer than the UPSs can stay up since the problem required human attention. A standby

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-07-01 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Ian Collins wrote: 5+ is typical for telco use. Aah, but we start getting into rooms full of giant 2V wet lead acid cells and giant busbars the size of railway tracks. -- Andre van Eyssen. mail: an...@purplecow.org jabber: an...@interact.purplecow.org

[zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Hello, I've looked around Google and the zfs-discuss archives but have not been able to find a good answer to this question (and the related questions that follow it): How well does ZFS handle unexpected power failures? (e.g. environmental power failures, power supply dying, etc.) Does it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Ross
I've seen enough people suffer from corrupted pools that a UPS is definitely good advice. However, I'm running a (very low usage) ZFS server at home and it's suffered through at least half a dozen power outages without any problems at all. I do plan to buy a UPS as soon as I can, but it seems

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Monish Shah
no-re...@opensolaris.org To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes I've seen enough people suffer from corrupted pools that a UPS is definitely good advice. However, I'm running a (very low usage) ZFS server

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Scott Lawson
Haudy Kazemi wrote: Hello, I've looked around Google and the zfs-discuss archives but have not been able to find a good answer to this question (and the related questions that follow it): How well does ZFS handle unexpected power failures? (e.g. environmental power failures, power supply

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Monish Shah wrote: The evil tuning guide says The ZIL is an essential part of ZFS and should never be disabled. However, if you have a UPS, what can go wrong that really requires ZIL? Without addressing a single ZFS-specific issue: * panics * crashes * hardware

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Doug Baker - Sun UK - Support Engineer
- Original Message - From: Ross no-re...@opensolaris.org To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes I've seen enough people suffer from corrupted pools that a UPS is definitely good advice. However, I'm running

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Neal Pollack
On 06/30/09 03:00 AM, Andre van Eyssen wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Monish Shah wrote: The evil tuning guide says The ZIL is an essential part of ZFS and should never be disabled. However, if you have a UPS, what can go wrong that really requires ZIL? Without addressing a single

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Neal Pollack wrote: Actually, they do quite a bit more than that. They create jobs, generate revenue for battery manufacturers, and tech's that change batteries and do PM maintenance on the large units. Let's not It sounds like this is a responsibility which should be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Erik Trimble
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Neal Pollack wrote: Actually, they do quite a bit more than that. They create jobs, generate revenue for battery manufacturers, and tech's that change batteries and do PM maintenance on the large units. Let's not It sounds like this is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Jason King
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Erik Trimbleerik.trim...@sun.com wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Neal Pollack wrote: Actually, they do quite a bit more than that. They create jobs, generate revenue for battery manufacturers, and tech's that change batteries and do PM

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Miles Nordin
ms == Monish Shah mon...@indranetworks.com writes: sl == Scott Lawson scott.law...@manukau.ac.nz writes: np == Neal Pollack neal.poll...@sun.com writes: ms If you are on a UPS, is it OK to disable ZIL? sl I have seen numerous UPS' failures over the years, yeah at my place in NYC

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread David Magda
On Jun 30, 2009, at 14:08, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I have seen UPSs help quite a lot for short glitches lasting seconds, or a minute. Otherwise the outage is usually longer than the UPSs can stay up since the problem required human attention. A standby generator is needed for any long

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Scott Lawson
David Magda wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 14:08, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I have seen UPSs help quite a lot for short glitches lasting seconds, or a minute. Otherwise the outage is usually longer than the UPSs can stay up since the problem required human attention. A standby generator is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, power failures, and UPSes

2009-06-30 Thread Ian Collins
David Magda wrote: On Jun 30, 2009, at 14:08, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I have seen UPSs help quite a lot for short glitches lasting seconds, or a minute. Otherwise the outage is usually longer than the UPSs can stay up since the problem required human attention. A standby generator is needed