Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-09-07 Thread Karel Gardas
What's your uptime? Usually it scrubs memory during the idle time and usually waits quite a long nearly till the deadline -- which is IIRC 12 hours. So do you have more than 12 hours of uptime? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-09-07 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Karel Gardas karel.gar...@centrum.czwrote: What's your uptime? Usually it scrubs memory during the idle time and usually waits quite a long nearly till the deadline -- which is IIRC 12 hours. So do you have more than 12 hours of uptime? -- 10:43am up 30

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-09-05 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Tim Cookt...@cook.ms wrote: Is there something that needs to be done on the solaris side for memscrub scans to occur?  I'm running snv_118, with a supermicro board running ECC memory and amd opteron CPU's.  It would appear it's doing a lot of nothing. My AMD

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-09-04 Thread Tim Cook
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Karel Gardas karel.gar...@centrum.czwrote: Hello, your (open)solaris for Ecc support (which seems to have been dropped from 200906) is misunderstanding. OS 2009.06 also supports ECC as 2005 did. Just install it and use my updated ecccheck.pl script to get

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-09-03 Thread Karel Gardas
Hello, your (open)solaris for Ecc support (which seems to have been dropped from 200906) is misunderstanding. OS 2009.06 also supports ECC as 2005 did. Just install it and use my updated ecccheck.pl script to get informed about errors. Also you might verify that Solaris' memory scrubber is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-08-06 Thread chris
Ok, i am ready to try. 2 last questions before I go for it: - which version of (open)solaris for Ecc support (which seems to have been dropped from 200906) and general as-few-headaches-as-possible installation? - do you think this issue with the AMD Athlon II X2 250

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-29 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, thank you so much for this post. This is exactly what I was looking for. I've been eyeing the M3A76-CM board, but will now look at 78 and M4A as well. Actually, not that many Asus M3A, let alone M4A boards show up yet on the OpenSolaris HCL, so I'd like to encourage everyone to share their

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-24 Thread Miles Nordin
c == chris no-re...@opensolaris.org writes: hk == Haudy Kazemi kaze0...@umn.edu writes: c why would anyone use something called basic? But there must be c a catch if they provided several ECC support modes. They are just taiwanese. They have no clue wtf they are doing and do not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and reported. I tested it with a small tungsten light. By moving the light source slowly towards the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:42 AM, F. Wessels wrote: Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and reported. I tested it with a small tungsten

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Neal Pollack
On 07/23/09 09:19 AM, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:42 AM, F. Wessels wrote: Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
The Asus M4N78-VM uses a Nvidia GeForce 8200 Chipset (This board only has 1 PCIe-16 slot though, I should look at those that have 2 slots). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Oh, and another unrelated question: Would I better off using OpenSolaris or Solaris Community Edition? I suspect SCE has more drivers (though mayby in a more beta state?), but its huge download size (several days in backward New Zealand, thanks Telecom NZ!) means I would only try if there is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Miles Nordin
c == chris no-re...@opensolaris.org writes: c do you know what the ECC BIOS modes mean? It's about the hardware scrubbing feature I mentioned. pgpcOJUfEwhmS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Erik Trimble
I'm going the other route here, and using a Intel small server motherboard. I'm currently trying the Supermicro X7SBE, which supports a non-Xeon CPU, and _should_ actually use the (unbuffered) ECC RAM I have in it. It can also support a network KVM IPMI board, which is nice (though not cheap -

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Haudy Kazemi
chris wrote: Ok, so the choice for a MB boils down to: - Intel desktop MB, no ECC support This is mostly true. The exceptions are some implementations of the Socket T LGA 775 (i.e. late Pentium 4 series, and Core 2) D975X and X38 chipsets, and possibly some X48 boards as well. Intel's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Cheers Miles, and thanks also for the tip to look in the BIOS options to see if ECC is actually used. Which mode woud you use? Max seems the most appealing, why would anyone use something called basic? But there must be a catch if they provided several ECC support modes. I am glad this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
More choice is good! It seems Intel's server boards sometimes accept desktop CPUS, but don't support speedstep. Is all OK with those? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Note that the 'ecccheck.pl' script depends on the 'pcitweak' utility which is no longer present in OpenSolaris 2009.06 and Ubuntu 8.10 because of Xorg changes. This is exactly the kind of hidden trap I fear. One does everything right and then discovers that xx is missing or has been changed

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-22 Thread Chris Du
i7 doesn't support ECC even motherboard supports it, you need XEON W3500 which costs the same as i7 to support ECC. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-22 Thread chris
Good news; the manual for the M4N78-VM mentions ECC and gives the following BIOS options: disabled/basic/good/super/maxi/user. Unsure what these mean but that's a start. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-22 Thread chris
Found this: ECC Mode [Disabled] Disables or sets the DRAM ECC mode that allows the hardware to report and correct memory errors. Set this item to [Basic] [Good] or [Max] to allow ECC mode auto-adjustment. Set this item to [Super] to adjust the DRAM BG Scrub sub-item manually. You may also adjust

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Kyle McDonald
chris wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I've been looking at the same thing recently. I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means ECC works,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Another thing to remember is the expansion slots. You mentioned putting in a SATA controller for more drives, You'll want to make sure the board has a slot that can handle the card you want. If you're not using graphics then any board with a single PCI-E x16 slot should handle anything. But if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nathan Fiedler
Regarding the SATA card and the mainboard slots, make sure that whatever you get is compatible with the OS. In my case I chose OpenSolaris which lacks support for Promise SATA cards. As a result, my choices were very limited since I had chosen a Chenbro ES34069 case and Intel Little Falls 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM, chris no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Nicholas Lee
The i7 and Xeon 3300 m/b that say they have ECC support have exactly this problem as well. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Nicholas Lee emptysa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM, chris no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-20 Thread chris
Ok, so the choice for a MB boils down to: - Intel desktop MB, no ECC support - Intel server MB, ECC support, expensive (requires a Xeon for speedstep support). It is a shame to waste top kit doing nothing 24/7. - AMD K8: ECC support(right?), no Cool'n'quiet support (but maybe still cool enough

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-20 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, chris wrote: If none, maybe top quality ram (suggestions?) would allow me to forego ECC and use a well supported low power intel board (suggestions?) instead? and a E5200? Even top quality RAM will not protect you from an alpha particle. I would be surprised if the AMD

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-20 Thread chris
Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means ECC works, or ECC memory can be used but ECC will not. Do you? Asus M4N78

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-20 Thread Keith Bierman
hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) Or the chips themselves don't have some alpha particle generation. It has happened and from premium vendors There is no replacement for good system design :) khb...@gmail.com Sent from my iPod

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server -- ECC claims

2009-02-26 Thread Blake
IIRC, the AMD board I have at my office has hardware ECC scrub. I have no idea if Solaris knows about this or makes any use of it (or needs to?) On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: rl == Rob Logan r...@logan.com writes:    rl that's why this X58 MB claims ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-25 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Tim t...@tcsac.net wrote: Given the current state of AMD, I think we all know that's not likely. Why cut into the revenue of your server line chips when you don't have to? Right? AMD has nothing to do with whether ECC exists on the Nehalem. Most likely ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-25 Thread Tim
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Tim t...@tcsac.net wrote: Given the current state of AMD, I think we all know that's not likely. Why cut into the revenue of your server line chips when you don't have to? Right? AMD

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-25 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tim t...@tcsac.net wrote: Of course it does. Competition directly affects the features provided on everyone in a market segment's products. The server and workstation market demands ECC. Any die that would be used in the server or workstation market would need

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-24 Thread Neal Pollack
On 02/23/09 20:24, Ilya Tatar wrote: Hello, I am building a home file server and am looking for an ATX mother board that will be supported well with OpenSolaris (onboard SATA controller, network, graphics if any, audio, etc). I decided to go for Intel based boards (socket LGA 775) since it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
Neal Pollack wrote: On 02/23/09 20:24, Ilya Tatar wrote: ... efficiency is an important factor. After reading several posts about ZFS it looks like I want ECC memory as well. ... Any motherboard for the Core2 or Core i7 Intel processors with the ICH Not. Intel decided we don't need ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-24 Thread Rob Logan
Not. Intel decided we don't need ECC memory on the Core i7 I thought that was a Core i7 vs Xeon E55xx for socket LGA-1366 so that's why this X58 MB claims ECC support: http://supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/X58/X8SAX.cfm ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server -- ECC claims

2009-02-24 Thread Miles Nordin
rl == Rob Logan r...@logan.com writes: rl that's why this X58 MB claims ECC support: the claim is worth something. People always say ``AMD supports ECC because the memory controller is in the CPU so they all support it, it cannot be taken away from you by lying idiot motherboard

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
Rob Logan wrote: Not. Intel decided we don't need ECC memory on the Core i7 I thought that was a Core i7 vs Xeon E55xx for socket LGA-1366 so that's why this X58 MB claims ECC support: http://supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/X58/X8SAX.cfm They lie*. Read the Intel Core i7 specs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-02-24 Thread Tim
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Carson Gaspar car...@taltos.org wrote: They lie*. Read the Intel Core i7 specs - no ECC on any of them. * They claim future Nehalem processor families. These mysterious future CPUs may indeed support ECC. The Core i7-(920|940|965) do not. Given the current