Re: [zfs-discuss] virtualization, alignment and zfs variation stripes

2009-07-23 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 02:45:52PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, t. johnson wrote: Lets say I have a simple-ish setup that uses vmware files for virtual disks on an NFS share from zfs. I'm wondering how zfs' variable block size comes into play? Does it make the alignment

Re: [zfs-discuss] triple-parity: RAID-Z3

2009-07-23 Thread Victor Latushkin
On 22.07.09 10:45, Adam Leventhal wrote: which gap? 'RAID-Z should mind the gap on writes' ? Message was edited by: thometal I believe this is in reference to the raid 5 write hole, described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_5_performance It's not. So I'm not

Re: [zfs-discuss] why is zpool import still hanging in opensolaris 2009.06 ??? no fix yet ???

2009-07-23 Thread Luc De Meyer
Follow-up : happy end ... It took quite some thinkering but... i have my data back... I ended up starting without the troublesome zfs storage array, de-installed the iscsitartget software and re-installed it...just to have solaris boot without complaining about missing modules... That left me

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something happens you might be in a lot of trouble. Even without some unfortunate

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and reported. I tested it with a small tungsten light. By moving the light source slowly towards the

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something happens you might be in a lot of trouble. Even without

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:28:38AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: In my case the slog slice wouldn't be the slog for the root pool, it would be the slog for a second data pool. I didn't think you could add a slog to the root pool anyway. Or has that changed in recent builds? I'm a little

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:28:38AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: In my case the slog slice wouldn't be the slog for the root pool, it would be the slog for a second data pool. I didn't think you could add a slog to the root pool anyway. Or has that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:42 AM, F. Wessels wrote: Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and reported. I tested it with a small tungsten

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Greg Mason
I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write) which is $699.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write)

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Adam Sherman
In the context of a low-volume file server, for a few users, is the low-end Intel SSD sufficient? A. -- Adam Sherman +1.613.797.6819 On 2009-07-23, at 14:09, Greg Mason gma...@msu.edu wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Adam Sherman wrote: In the context of a low-volume file server, for a few users, is the low-end Intel SSD sufficient? You're right, it supposedly has less than half the the write speed, and that probably won't matter for me, but I can't find a 64GB version of it for sale, and the 80GB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Neal Pollack
On 07/23/09 09:19 AM, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:42 AM, F. Wessels wrote: Hi, I'm using asus m3a78 boards (with the sb700) for opensolaris and m2a* boards (with the sb600) for linux some of them with 4*1GB and others with 4*2Gb ECC memory. Ecc faults will be detected and

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread thomas
I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write) which is $699. Are

[zfs-discuss] No ZFS snapshot since upgrade to 2009.06

2009-07-23 Thread Axelle Apvrille
I've upgrade my OpenSolaris 2008.11 to 2009.06. During that process it created a new boot environment: BEActive Mountpoint Space Policy Created ---- -- - -- --- opensolaris NR / 7.53G static 2009-01-03 13:18

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I don't think this is limited to root pools. None of my pools (root or non-root) seem to have the write cache enabled. Now that I think about it, all my disks are hidden behind an LSI1078 controller so I'm not sure what sort of impact that would have on the situation. I have a few of those

[zfs-discuss] [SOLVED] Re: No ZFS snapshot since upgrade to 2009.06

2009-07-23 Thread Axelle Apvrille
Ok, I've found the solution to my problem on Internet here: http://sigtar.com/2009/03/17/troubleshooting-time-slider-zfs-snapshots/ This was indeed caused by the old boot environment. This is how to solve it: - disable snapshots on the old boot environment: pfexec zfs set

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
The Asus M4N78-VM uses a Nvidia GeForce 8200 Chipset (This board only has 1 PCIe-16 slot though, I should look at those that have 2 slots). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Oh, and another unrelated question: Would I better off using OpenSolaris or Solaris Community Edition? I suspect SCE has more drivers (though mayby in a more beta state?), but its huge download size (several days in backward New Zealand, thanks Telecom NZ!) means I would only try if there is

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:24 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Miles Nordin
c == chris no-re...@opensolaris.org writes: c do you know what the ECC BIOS modes mean? It's about the hardware scrubbing feature I mentioned. pgpcOJUfEwhmS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
I didn't meant using slog for the root pool. I meant using the slog for a data pool. Where the data pool consists of (rotating) hard disk and complement them with a ssd based slog. But instead of a dedicated ssd for the slog I want the root pool share the ssd with the slog. Both can mirrored to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Erik Trimble
I'm going the other route here, and using a Intel small server motherboard. I'm currently trying the Supermicro X7SBE, which supports a non-Xeon CPU, and _should_ actually use the (unbuffered) ECC RAM I have in it. It can also support a network KVM IPMI board, which is nice (though not cheap -

Re: [zfs-discuss] triple-parity: RAID-Z3

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Milkowski
Adam Leventhal wrote: Hey Bob, MTTDL analysis shows that given normal evironmental conditions, the MTTDL of RAID-Z2 is already much longer than the life of the computer or the attendant human. Of course sometimes one encounters unusual conditions where additional redundancy is desired. To

Re: [zfs-discuss] triple-parity: RAID-Z3

2009-07-23 Thread Adam Leventhal
Robert, On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:59:01AM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: To what analysis are you referring? Today the absolute fastest you can resilver a 1TB drive is about 4 hours. Real-world speeds might be half that. In 2010 we'll have 3TB drives meaning it may take a full day to

Re: [zfs-discuss] triple-parity: RAID-Z3

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Milkowski
Adam Leventhal wrote: I just blogged about triple-parity RAID-Z (raidz3): http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/triple_parity_raid_z As for performance, on the system I was using (a max config Sun Storage 7410), I saw about a 25% improvement to 1GB/s for a streaming write workload. YMMV, but I'd

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror cloning

2009-07-23 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Ok, so it seems that with DiskSuite, detaching a mirror does nothing to the disk you detached. However, zpool detach appears to mark the disk as blank, so nothing will find any pools (import, import -D etc). zdb -l will show labels, but no amount of work that we have found will bring the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread Haudy Kazemi
chris wrote: Ok, so the choice for a MB boils down to: - Intel desktop MB, no ECC support This is mostly true. The exceptions are some implementations of the Socket T LGA 775 (i.e. late Pentium 4 series, and Core 2) D975X and X38 chipsets, and possibly some X48 boards as well. Intel's

[zfs-discuss] Opensolaris attached to 70 disk HP array

2009-07-23 Thread Brent Jones
Looking at this external array by HP: http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/600mds/index.html 70 disks in 5U, which could probably be configured in JBOD. Has anyone attempted to connect this to a box running opensolaris to create a 70 disk pool? -- Brent Jones br...@servuhome.net

Re: [zfs-discuss] Another user looses his pool (10TB) in this case and 40 days work

2009-07-23 Thread Frank Middleton
On 07/21/09 01:21 PM, Richard Elling wrote: I never win the lottery either :-) Let's see. Your chance of winning a 49 ball lottery is apparently around 1 in 14*10^6, although it's much better than that because of submatches (smaller payoffs for matches on less than 6 balls). There are about

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror cloning

2009-07-23 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Jorgen Lundman wrote: However, zpool detach appears to mark the disk as blank, so nothing will find any pools (import, import -D etc). zdb -l will show labels, For kicks, I tried to demonstrate this does indeed happen, so I dd'ed the first 1024 1k blocks from the disk, zpool detach it,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Cheers Miles, and thanks also for the tip to look in the BIOS options to see if ECC is actually used. Which mode woud you use? Max seems the most appealing, why would anyone use something called basic? But there must be a catch if they provided several ECC support modes. I am glad this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
More choice is good! It seems Intel's server boards sometimes accept desktop CPUS, but don't support speedstep. Is all OK with those? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mirror cloning

2009-07-23 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Jorgen Lundmanlund...@gmo.jp wrote: However, zpool detach appears to mark the disk as blank, so nothing will find any pools (import, import -D etc). zdb -l will show labels, If both disks are bootable (with installboot or installgrub), removing the mirror and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-23 Thread chris
Note that the 'ecccheck.pl' script depends on the 'pcitweak' utility which is no longer present in OpenSolaris 2009.06 and Ubuntu 8.10 because of Xorg changes. This is exactly the kind of hidden trap I fear. One does everything right and then discovers that xx is missing or has been changed

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris attached to 70 disk HP array

2009-07-23 Thread thomas
That is an interesting bit of kit. I wish a white box manufacturer would create something like this (hint hint supermicro) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org