Re: [zfs-discuss] howto reduce ?zfs introduced? noise

2006-07-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Thomas, try to set txg_time via mdb to 60 - this shuld maqke ZFS to "flush" every 60s -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread grant beattie
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 11:42:21AM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > >Yes, and while it's not an immediate showstopper for me, I'll want to > >know that expansion is coming imminently before I adopt RAID-Z. > > [in brainstorming mode, sans coffee so far this morning] > > Better yet, buy two disks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Bean-counting raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 07:58, David Abrahams wrote: > It seems, on the face of it, as though a *single* sensible answer > might be impossible. But it also seems like it might be unnecessary. I'm aware of at least one case where a customer wrote a "delete file at head of queue; repeat until statvfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: RE: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Marion Hakanson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > There's no reason at all why you can't do this. The only thing preventing > most file systems from taking advantage of ?adjustable? replication is that > they don?t have the integrated volume management capabilities that ZFS does. And in fact, Sun's own QFS can do this,

[zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Tatjana S Heuser
> Of course when it's time to upgrade you can always > just call sun and get a Thumper on a "Try before you > Buy" - and use it as a temporary storage space for > your files while you re-do your raidz/raidz2 virtual > device from scratch with an additional disk. zfs > send/zfs recieve here I come..

[zfs-discuss] How to monitor ZFS ?

2006-07-13 Thread martin
How could i monitor zfs ? or the zpool activity ? I want to know if anything wrong is going on. If i could receive those warning by email, it would be great :) Martin This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] system unresponsive after issuing a zpool attach

2006-07-13 Thread Joseph Mocker
Dennis Clarke wrote: whoa whoa ... just one bloody second .. whoa .. That looks like a real nasty bug description there. What are the details on that? Is this particular to a given system or controller config or something liek that or are we talking global to Solaris 10 Update 2 everywhere

Re: [zfs-discuss] system unresponsive after issuing a zpool attach

2006-07-13 Thread Daniel Rock
Joseph Mocker schrieb: Today I attempted to upgrade to S10_U2 and migrate some mirrored UFS SVM partitions to ZFS. I used Live Upgrade to migrate from U1 to U2 and that went without a hitch on my SunBlade 2000. And the initial conversion of one side of the UFS mirrors to a ZFS pool and subseq

[zfs-discuss] raidz and 512 byte files

2006-07-13 Thread David Blacklock
Hello, When files are created that are <= 512 bytes using a raidz pool, how are full stripe writes performed ? -thanks, -Dave ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Re: RE: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Anton B. Rang
There's no reason at all why you can't do this. The only thing preventing most file systems from taking advantage of “adjustable” replication is that they don’t have the integrated volume management capabilities that ZFS does. ZFS already allows its storage pools to contain multiple types of blo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 11:42 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > [in brainstorming mode, sans coffee so far this morning] > > Better yet, buy two disks, say 500 GByte. Need more space, replace > them with 750 GByte, because by then the price of the 750 GByte disks > will be as low as the 250 GByte disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] system unresponsive after issuing a zpool attach

2006-07-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Who hoo! It looks like the resilver completed sometime over night. The > system appears to be running normally, (after one final reboot): > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: zpool status > pool: storage > state: ONLINE > scrub: none requested > config: > > NAME ST

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Richard Elling
David Abrahams wrote: David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm not sure I even agree with the notion that this is a real problem (and if it is, I don't think is easily solved). Stripe widths are a function of the expected failure rate and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Rob Logan
comfortable with having 2 parity drives for 12 disks, the thread starting config of 4 disks per controller(?): zpool create tank raidz2 c1t1d0 c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0c2t1d0 c2t2d0 then later zpool add tank raidz2 c2t3d0 c2t4d0 c3t1d0 c3t2d0 c3t3d0 c3t4d0 as described, doubles ones IOPs,

RE: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Bennett, Steve
Jeff Bonwick said: > RAID-Z takes a different approach. We were designing a filesystem > as well, so we could make the block pointers as semantically rich > as we wanted. To that end, the block pointers in ZFS contains data > layout information. One nice side effect of this is that we don't > n

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2 [Infrant]

2006-07-13 Thread Rob Logan
Infrant NAS box and using their X-RAID instead. I've gone back to solaris from an Infrant box. 1) while the Infrant cpu is sparc, its way, way, slow. a) the web IU takes 3-5 seconds per page b) any local process, rsync, UPnP, SlimServer is cpu starved 2) like a netapp, its

[zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Scott Roberts
Of course when it's time to upgrade you can always just call sun and get a Thumper on a "Try before you Buy" - and use it as a temporary storage space for your files while you re-do your raidz/raidz2 virtual device from scratch with an additional disk. zfs send/zfs recieve here I come. Not

[zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread David Abrahams
David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I'm not sure I even agree with the notion that this is a real >> problem (and if it is, I don't think is easily solved). Stripe >> widths are a function of the expected failure rate and fault domains >>

[zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread David Abrahams
Jeff Bonwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The main issues are administrative. ZFS is all about ease of use > (when it's not busy being all about data integrity), so getting the > interface to be simple and intuitive is important -- and not as > simple as it sounds. If your free disk space might

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 09:44:18AM -0500, Al Hopper wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I'm not sure I even agree with the notion that this is a real > > > problem (and if it is, I don't think is easily solved). Stripe >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Luke Scharf
David Dyer-Bennet wrote: It's easy to corrupt the volume, though -- just copy random data over *two* disks of a RAIDZ volume. Okay, you have to either do the whole volume, or get a little lucky to hit both copies of some piece of information before you get corruption. Or pull two disks out of t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm not sure I even agree with the notion that this is a real > > problem (and if it is, I don't think is easily solved). Stripe > > widths are a function of the expected failure rate and fault domains

Re: [zfs-discuss] system unresponsive after issuing a zpool attach

2006-07-13 Thread Joseph Mocker
Dennis Clarke wrote: Today I attempted to upgrade to S10_U2 and migrate some mirrored UFS SVM partitions to ZFS. I used Live Upgrade to migrate from U1 to U2 and that went without a hitch on my SunBlade 2000. And the initial conversion of one side of the UFS mirrors to a ZFS pool and subsequent

Re: [zfs-discuss] Removing a device from a zfs pool

2006-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
"Dick Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 13/07/06, Yacov Ben-Moshe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can I remove a device or a partition from a pool. > > NOTE: The devices are not mirrored or raidz > > Then you can't - there isn't a 'zfs remove' command yet. Yeah, I ran into that in my t

[zfs-discuss] Re: howto reduce ?zfs introduced? noise

2006-07-13 Thread Jason Holtzapple
I am seeing the same behavior on my SunBlade 2500 while running firefox. I think my disks are quieter than yours though, because I don't really notice the difference that much. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zf

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm not sure I even agree with the notion that this is a real > problem (and if it is, I don't think is easily solved). Stripe > widths are a function of the expected failure rate and fault domains > of the system which tend to be static in nature. A co

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Luke Scharf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As for the claims, I don't buy that it's impossible to corrupt a ZFS > volume. I've replicated the demo where the guy dd's /dev/urandom > over part of the disk, and I believe that works -- but there are a > lot of other ways to corrupt a filesystem in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Luke Scharf
David Abrahams wrote: I've seen people wondering if ZFS was a scam because the claims just seemed too good to be true. Given that ZFS *is* really great, I don't think it would hurt to prominently advertise limitations like this one it would probably benefit credibility considerably, and it's a r

Re: [zfs-discuss] Enabling compression/encryption on a populated filesystem

2006-07-13 Thread Chad Mynhier
On 7/13/06, Darren Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When ZFS compression is enabled, although the man page doesn't explicitly say this, my guess is that only new data that gets written out is compressed - in keeping with the COW policy. [ ... ] Hmmm, well, I suppose the same problem might appl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Enabling compression/encryption on a populated filesystem

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Hoelzer
On 7/13/06, Darren Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When ZFS compression is enabled, although the man page doesn't explicitly say this, my guess is that only new data that gets written out is compressed - in keeping with the COW policy. This is all well and good, if you enable compression when yo

[zfs-discuss] Re: Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Scott Roberts
If it was possible to implement raidz/raidz2 expansion it would be a big feature in favor of ZFS. Most hardware RAID controllers have the ability to expand a raid pool - some have to take the raid array offline, but the ones I work with generally do it online, although you are forced to suffer t

[zfs-discuss] Enabling compression/encryption on a populated filesystem

2006-07-13 Thread Darren Reed
When ZFS compression is enabled, although the man page doesn't explicitly say this, my guess is that only new data that gets written out is compressed - in keeping with the COW policy. This is all well and good, if you enable compression when you create the ZFS filesystem. If I enable compressio

[zfs-discuss] howto reduce ?zfs introduced? noise

2006-07-13 Thread Thomas Maier-Komor
Hi, after switching over to zfs from ufs for my ~/ at home, I am a little bit disturbed by the noise the disks are making. To be more precise, I always have thunderbird and firefox running on my desktop and either or both seem to be writing to my ~/ at short intervals and ZFS flushes these tran

Re: [zfs-discuss] Removing a device from a zfs pool

2006-07-13 Thread Dick Davies
On 13/07/06, Yacov Ben-Moshe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How can I remove a device or a partition from a pool. NOTE: The devices are not mirrored or raidz Then you can't - there isn't a 'zfs remove' command yet. -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net

[zfs-discuss] Removing a device from a zfs pool

2006-07-13 Thread Yacov Ben-Moshe
How can I remove a device or a partition from a pool. NOTE: The devices are not mirrored or raidz Thanks This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zf

RE: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> Maybe this is a dumb question, but I've never written a > filesystem is there a fundamental reason why you cannot have > some files mirrored, with others as raidz, and others with no > resilience? This would allow a pool to initially exist on one > disk, then gracefully change between different r

RE: [zfs-discuss] Expanding raidz2

2006-07-13 Thread Bennett, Steve
> > I guess that could be made to work, but then the data on > > the disk becomes much (much much) more difficult to > > interpret because you have some rows which are effectively > > one width and others which are another (ad infinitum). > > How do rows come into it? I was just assuming that