Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-30 Thread Casper . Dik
Ok, I'll bite. It's been a long day, so that may be why I can't see why the radioisotopes in lead that was dug up 100 years ago would be any more depleted than the lead that sat in the ground for the intervening 100 years. Half-life is half-life, no? Now if it were something about the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-29 Thread Roch - PAE
Anantha N. Srirama writes: Agreed, I guess I didn't articulate my point/thought very well. The best config is to present JBoDs and let ZFS provide the data protection. This has been a very stimulating conversation thread; it is shedding new light into how to best use ZFS. I would

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-29 Thread Boyd Adamson
On 29/01/2007, at 12:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you can use a rad hardened CPU. ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Erik Trimble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alpha particles which hit CPUs must have their origin inside said CPU. (Alpha particles do not penentrate skin, paper, let alone system cases or CPU packagaging) Gamma rays cannot be shielded in a senseful way. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 04:15:30PM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: I'm not sure what benefit you forsee by running a COW filesystem (ZFS) on a COW array (NetApp). The application requires a filesystem with POSIX semantics. My first choice would be NFS from the Netapp, but this won't work in

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Anantha N. Srirama
Agreed, I guess I didn't articulate my point/thought very well. The best config is to present JBoDs and let ZFS provide the data protection. This has been a very stimulating conversation thread; it is shedding new light into how to best use ZFS. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: We had in flight data corruption that EMC faithfully wrote just like NetApp would in your case. Everybody is assuming that corruption or data loss occurs only on disks, it can happen everywhere. In a datacenter SAN you've so many more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-27 Thread Toby Thain
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you can use a rad hardened CPU. ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-27 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 04:15:30PM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: I'm not sure what benefit you forsee by running a COW filesystem (ZFS) on a COW array (NetApp). Assuming that that question was addressed to me, the primary feature that I need from ZFS is snapshots. The Netapp has snapshots