Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-13 Thread Jens Elkner
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 02:37:35PM -0500, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Damjan Perenic ... I shopped for 1TB 7200rpm drives recently and I noticed Seagate Barracude ES.2 has 1TB version with SATA and SAS interface. On the flip side, according to storage

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-12 Thread Damjan Perenic
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: You can optimize for better IOPS or for transfer speed. NS2 SATA and SAS share most of the design, but they are still different, cache, interface, firmware are

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-12 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Damjan Perenic damjan.pere...@guest.arnes.si wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: You can optimize for better IOPS or for transfer speed. NS2 SATA and

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:11:49PM -0400, Eric Sproul wrote: I would not use the Caviar Black drives, regardless of TLER settings. The RE3 or RE4 drives would be a better choice, since they also have better vibration tolerance. This will be a significant factor in a chassis with 20 spinning

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Markus Kovero
2009 9:51 To: Eric Sproul; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:11:49PM -0400, Eric Sproul wrote: I would not use the Caviar Black drives, regardless of TLER settings. The RE3 or RE4 drives would

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Tristan Ball
September 2009 5:00 PM To: Eugen Leitl; Eric Sproul; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs We've been using caviar black 1TB with disk configurations consisting 64 disks or more. They are working just fine. Yours Markus Kovero -Original

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Markus Kovero
- From: Tristan Ball [mailto:tristan.b...@leica-microsystems.com] Sent: 11. syyskuuta 2009 10:04 To: Markus Kovero; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs How long have you had them in production? Were you able to adjust the TLER

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Can you use SATA drives with expanders at all? (I have to stick to enterprise/nearline SATA (100 EUR/TByte vs. 60 EUR/TByte consumer SATA) for cost reasons). Yes, the expander has nothing to do with the drive in front of it. I have several SAS expanders with SATA drives on them. What is the

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Du
Can you use SATA drives with expanders at all? (I have to stick to enterprise/nearline SATA (100 EUR/TByte vs. 60 EUR/TByte consumer SATA) for cost reasons). Yes you can in E1 model. E1 is single path model which supports both SAS and SATA. You need to know what you are buying. The Supermicro

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Chris Du dilid...@gmail.com wrote: Can you use SATA drives with expanders at all? (I have to stick to enterprise/nearline SATA (100 EUR/TByte vs. 60 EUR/TByte consumer SATA) for cost reasons). Yes you can in E1 model. E1 is single path model which supports

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Sep 11 at 13:14, Tim Cook wrote: Better IOPS? Do you have some numbers to back that claim up? I've never heard of anyone getting much better IOPS out of a drive by simply changing the interface from SATA to SAS. Or SATA to FATA for that matter. A 7200RPM drive is limited by

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.orgwrote: On Fri, Sep 11 at 13:14, Tim Cook wrote: Better IOPS? Do you have some numbers to back that claim up? I've never heard of anyone getting much better IOPS out of a drive by simply changing the interface from

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Du
You can optimize for better IOPS or for transfer speed. NS2 SATA and SAS share most of the design, but they are still different, cache, interface, firmware are all different. Then by much better, I don't mean just IOPS, it's all the 3, better IOPS, command queue and error recovery, etc. --

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-10 Thread Eric Sproul
Eugen Leitl wrote: Inspired by http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpost.php?p=6334764postcount=14 I'm considering taking the Supermicro chassis like http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/846/SC846E1-R900.cfm populating it with 1 TByte WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS with TLER set to 7

Re: [zfs-discuss] alternative hardware configurations for zfs

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Du
Why do you need 3x LSI SAS3081E-R? The back plane has LSI SAS x36 expander so you only nedd 1x 3081E. If you want multipathing, you need E2 model. Second, I'd say use Seagate ES 2 1TB SAS disk especially if you want multipathing. I believe E2 only supports SAS disks. I have Supermicro 936E1