Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html: No top level in left Index
Will commit fix in next revision. -- Jaap On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Agustin Lobo aloboa...@gmail.com wrote: When I export the current page + subpages to html, the left index does not feature the top level page, thus if I navigate (in html) to the lower levels there is no obvious way to go back to the higher level page. Any trick besides using the arrows of the browser? -- Agustin Lobo aloboa...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Zim-wiki] Export to html: No top level in left Index
When I export the current page + subpages to html, the left index does not feature the top level page, thus if I navigate (in html) to the lower levels there is no obvious way to go back to the higher level page. Any trick besides using the arrows of the browser? -- Agustin Lobo aloboa...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
PLease make sure you have rev706 when testing. Maybe I should roll back partly and put the CSS solution in our HTML templates? Regards, Jaap On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Paulo van Breugel p_vanbreu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jaap, A blank line in between the two headers is still replaced by a br. From below I am not sure I understand whether that is the intended behaviour or not? h2TOC amp; web links/h2brh3Collaboration/h3 Another option would be to replace empty lines by p/p? Html pages generated that way resemble more the way the text looks in Zim (tested in Firefox and Chrome), which is because these browsers seem to ignore empty paragraphs. Another option is to follow the same rule as for paragraphs. As far as I can see, empty line between two paragraphs are not exported. Two empty lines between paragraphs are exported as one break. I think that would be the best option in terms of how easy it is to regulate the appearance of the html page through CSS). On 21-08-14 12:20, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: Committed new revision where I changed the whitespace handling in the HTML export. Basically removed all BR elements outside of paragraphs. Downside is that some rendering may look different than in the source page if you have additional blank lines, but best I can do with the HTML assumptions for line spacing. -- Jaap On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Paulo van Breugel p_vanbreu...@yahoo.com wrote: When exporting to html, the export places a break between two consecutive headers as in the example below. Is there a way to prevent this? = TOC web links = Collaboration * test Becomes: h2TOC amp; web links/h2brh3Collaboration/h3pullitest/li/ul/p ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
My feeling is that I should roll back and put CSS snippet in the template to get more accurate HTML version of the wiki page. However that makes the HTML rendering without CSS ugly. Jaap It seems like common practice on the web is to use CSS to add some space under headers so your thought sounds sensible to me, but I haven't tinkered with the templates -- is it common to render without CSS? Colin colintedford.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
It seems like common practice on the web is to use CSS to add some space under headers Sorry, or to manage the space under the headers, I guess we're not adding here. Colin colintedford.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
2014-08-22 12:38 GMT-03:00 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com: My feeling is that I should roll back and put CSS snippet in the template to get more accurate HTML version of the wiki page. However that makes the HTML rendering without CSS ugly. Compromise would be to make the newline handling an option you can control from the template. This could help to make vanilla HTML export look decent while templates with CSS can set the BR how they want it. Personally I'd prefer a clean HTML output by default. I don't like the BR tags, and I don't think that the HTML export should try to replicate any arbitrary spacing in the wiki text. The HTML would easily turn into a mess. Most wiki engines and markdown processors ignore whitespace when rendering, and have a specific tag/syntax for explicitly adding a blank line. Maybe that's the way to go. -- Mariano ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
I think there is a consensus here not to use br :-). On Friday, August 22, 2014 6:29 PM, Colin Tedford co...@colintedford.com wrote: It seems like common practice on the web is to use CSS to add some space under headers Sorry, or to manage the space under the headers, I guess we're not adding here. Colin colintedford.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
Sounds like a useful feature, providing maximum flexibility. Brilliant! On 22 August 2014 19:06:11 CEST, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Paulo van Breugel p_vanbreu...@yahoo.com wrote: You wrote: Now as you commented correctly this results in a lot of whitespace below the H2. But there is also space below the H1 that is not in the wiki text. -- This is just the default space after headers. As you mention below, this can be easily handled using CSS. You wrote: If I use CSS to remove the padding/margin between heading and paragraph it looks again same as the source text. But in that case the BR is crucial. -- I don't see why the BR is crucial in that case. Well, for those that expect WYSIWYG behavior, this BR is crucial to achieve the same result as in the wiki page. You wrote: Compromise would be to make the newline handling an option you can control from the template. This could help to make vanilla HTML export look decent while templates with CSS can set the BR how they want it. -- It seems setting the height of the BR, and that doesn't seem to be easy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1409649/how-to-change-the-height-of-a-br That is not what I meant. By making it a template option, you would allow to choose in the template whether or not the BR are inserted at all. Similar there can be an option to add BR at the end of line in a paragraph or not. This would be in the zim output code, so independent of what you can do with CSS on top of that. I think the situation is that in Zim, being text based (and given that the text files should remain human readible), spaces between headers and text can only be created by adding empty lines. In HTML such spaces should not be done by adding breaks, but by using CSS. For this reason, the way empty lines are handled in revision 706 is the correction one I think and the changes should not be rolled back i.m.o. I am not sure if I understand the last option, but if that means the user has the option to determine how empty lines are handled by the export (being replaced by brakes or ignored), that would be a very nice feature. Yep, that's what I meant :) Sounds like there is need for both options. Regards, Jaap -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Paulo van Breugel p_vanbreu...@yahoo.com wrote: You wrote: Now as you commented correctly this results in a lot of whitespace below the H2. But there is also space below the H1 that is not in the wiki text. -- This is just the default space after headers. As you mention below, this can be easily handled using CSS. You wrote: If I use CSS to remove the padding/margin between heading and paragraph it looks again same as the source text. But in that case the BR is crucial. -- I don't see why the BR is crucial in that case. Well, for those that expect WYSIWYG behavior, this BR is crucial to achieve the same result as in the wiki page. You wrote: Compromise would be to make the newline handling an option you can control from the template. This could help to make vanilla HTML export look decent while templates with CSS can set the BR how they want it. -- It seems setting the height of the BR, and that doesn't seem to be easy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1409649/how-to-change-the-height-of-a-br That is not what I meant. By making it a template option, you would allow to choose in the template whether or not the BR are inserted at all. Similar there can be an option to add BR at the end of line in a paragraph or not. This would be in the zim output code, so independent of what you can do with CSS on top of that. I think the situation is that in Zim, being text based (and given that the text files should remain human readible), spaces between headers and text can only be created by adding empty lines. In HTML such spaces should not be done by adding breaks, but by using CSS. For this reason, the way empty lines are handled in revision 706 is the correction one I think and the changes should not be rolled back i.m.o. I am not sure if I understand the last option, but if that means the user has the option to determine how empty lines are handled by the export (being replaced by brakes or ignored), that would be a very nice feature. Yep, that's what I meant :) Sounds like there is need for both options. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:06:11 +0200 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for those that expect WYSIWYG behavior, this BR is crucial to achieve the same result as in the wiki page. Hi, I'm sorry to butt in, especially that it's possible that I'm completely out to lunch. Zim uses the same syntax as Dokuwiki, and Dokuwiki does the rendering properly. How does Dokuwiki do it? and what about doing something similar in python? sknahT vyS -- Thanks http://www.foto-biz.com The Business Of Being A Photographer -- Lightroom QA ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
OK, now pushed revision 710 to the repository. Default behavior is back to as released in 0.61, using br elements. However the default templates have CSS to remove margins so it renders the same as in the editor: WYSIWYG. When you don't line the default behavior you can use the template option empty_lines to switch them off. Also there is an option line_breaks to switch the br elements at the end of line within a paragraph. See the manual page on templates for the syntax etc. Hope this makes everybody happy :) Regards, Jaap On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Syv Ritch s...@foto-biz.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:06:11 +0200 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for those that expect WYSIWYG behavior, this BR is crucial to achieve the same result as in the wiki page. Hi, I'm sorry to butt in, especially that it's possible that I'm completely out to lunch. Zim uses the same syntax as Dokuwiki, and Dokuwiki does the rendering properly. How does Dokuwiki do it? and what about doing something similar in python? sknahT vyS -- Thanks http://www.foto-biz.com The Business Of Being A Photographer -- Lightroom QA ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Export to html
Great, I'll give it a try On Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:20 PM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Committed new revision where I changed the whitespace handling in the HTML export. Basically removed all BR elements outside of paragraphs. Downside is that some rendering may look different than in the source page if you have additional blank lines, but best I can do with the HTML assumptions for line spacing. -- Jaap On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Paulo van Breugel p_vanbreu...@yahoo.com wrote: When exporting to html, the export places a break between two consecutive headers as in the example below. Is there a way to prevent this? = TOC web links = Collaboration * test Becomes: h2TOC amp; web links/h2 br h3Collaboration/h3 pullitest/li/ul /p ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Zim-wiki] Export to html
When exporting to html, the export places a break between two consecutive headers as in the example below. Is there a way to prevent this? = TOC web links = Collaboration * test Becomes: h2TOCamp; web links/h2 br h3Collaboration/h3 p ul litest/li /ul /p ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
