Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
Ok, so summarizing the feedback I see so far: Yes all distros support Gtk 2.20, so we can rely on it for new features. No need to support older version indefinitely. However some systems have older installations that can not easily be update, so would be nice if zim can run at those systems. This means I will not backport every feature to older Gtk versions, but will try to keep compatibility by just disabling some features on older systems. (E.g. you may not see the same tooltips, or miss some non-critical icon buttons - but zim should still be usable.) Thanks for you comments, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 10:23:07AM +0200, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: Ok, so summarizing the feedback I see so far: Yes all distros support Gtk 2.20, so we can rely on it for new features. No need to support older version indefinitely. However some systems have older installations that can not easily be update, so would be nice if zim can run at those systems. This means I will not backport every feature to older Gtk versions, but will try to keep compatibility by just disabling some features on older systems. (E.g. you may not see the same tooltips, or miss some non-critical icon buttons - but zim should still be usable.) this is a good compromise! regards, stefan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 00:00:12 -0400 Brian Shaver shakerl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with this sentiment. The current Zim is stable enough and feature rich enough for those unfortunate to be stuck on an older system and unable to upgrade. Zim would not be the only application impacted by their aging environment. Brian .. Me too :P (joke aside, Brian explains it well. My vote goes to GTK+ 2.20) -- nomnex nom...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
I'll second the sentiment expressed earlier in this thread... If an old OS isn't supported by its vendor anymore, we don't fall back on its old standard libraries. Personally I'd be okay with using the most up-to-date GTK library that is more or less commonly available (current versions of: Debian testing, Fedora, openSUSE, Gentoo, FreeBSD, OS X, etc.) and not looking back. Brendan Kidwell ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
El Jueves 31 Marzo 2011, Jaap Karssenberg escribió:
1/ Anybody using Gtk 2.12 with no possible to update ?
Hi,
maemo is stuck with old gtk
maemo4: 2.10
maemo5: 2.14
Regards,
Miguel Angel
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
Hi Jaap, I see following available: Ubuntu: 2.22 (maverick), 2.12 (Lucid - LST) Are you sure about Lucid? The version of libgtk-2.0-0 in Lucid seems to be 2.20, python-gtk2 is 2.17. The same holds for Debian stable and testing. Best, Marcel PS: I'm on Maverick and Natty, so no problems here :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu:2.22 (maverick), 2.12 (Lucid - LST) Correction, Lucid actually has 2.20 ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libgtk2.0-0) Also debian stable (squeeze) has 2.20 ( http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgtk2.0-0) Fedora has 2.24 in F15 (I think - hard time figuring out their package database...) So looks like we can bump to at least 2.20 on all platforms. Question 1/ remains: Anybody using Gtk 2.12 with no possible to update ? Sorry for any confusion, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
F14 is on 2.22 F15 is on 2.24 Even F13 is on 2.20, so no issue for Fedora platform. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=190 Frank On 03/31/2011 02:51 PM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu:2.22 (maverick), 2.12 (Lucid - LST) Correction, Lucid actually has 2.20 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libgtk2.0-0) Also debian stable (squeeze) has 2.20 (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgtk2.0-0) Fedora has 2.24 in F15 (I think - hard time figuring out their package database...) So looks like we can bump to at least 2.20 on all platforms. Question 1/ remains: Anybody using Gtk 2.12 with no possible to update ? Sorry for any confusion, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- *** * Frank Van Geirt * * fvange...@gmail.com * *** ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:32 AM, s...@z107.de wrote: At my work 2.16.1-0ubuntu2 is installed (ubuntu jauny, :/ ) and I have no root account, so I can not (easily) change it. Are all the official updates installed in that machine? -- Juancarlo *Añez* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM, s...@z107.de wrote: I hope so, but I am not sure. And it is no longer possible to search the package archive for jaunty packages. MHO is that the design of new versions of software should not be restricted by operating system versions that are no longer supported. Older OSs can run older versions of the software (Zim in this case). When it is FOSS operating systems, there are less and weaker reasons not to upgrade them, or at least upgrade some of their components. Jaunty is not even LTS (long term support), so I don't see why stick to it. Yours is a particular case. I wonder how common it is. BTW, I'm running Maverick, and, from what I've seen so far, I will probably be skipping Natty. It seems that my old (yet sufficient for my work) hardware is not up to it. -- Juancarlo *Añez* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:59:47AM -0430, Juancarlo Añez wrote: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM, s...@z107.de wrote: I hope so, but I am not sure. And it is no longer possible to search the package archive for jaunty packages. MHO is that the design of new versions of software should not be restricted by operating system versions that are no longer supported. Older OSs can run older versions of the software (Zim in this case). When it is FOSS operating systems, there are less and weaker reasons not to upgrade them, or at least upgrade some of their components. Jaunty is not even LTS (long term support), so I don't see why stick to it. I can not really argue against this. Quite the contrary I would say the same, if I would not jave to use this outdated OS. However, I do not know if it is really important, because Jaap ask for people using gtk 2.12. But I think zim should support debian old-stables release at least for some month. Squeeze is now stable for two month and not every admin starts updating directly. Yours is a particular case. I wonder how common it is. hopefully not very common. best regards, stefan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
But I think zim should support debian old-stables release at least for some month. Squeeze is now stable for two month and not every admin starts updating directly. I think this is all not about supporting a release (i.e. providing bug fixes) but about whether *new* versions of zim ( 0.5) will work with outdated distributions. Out of curiosity: Are you using zim's most recent release or are you using an older version on your work PC that is running Jaunty? As a side note: I'd really suggest your employer to update your outdated Ubuntu version. Jaunty reached end of life last October, i.e. since then you did not receive any updates, no security fixes etc. If updating every 6 month is not an option, stay with an LTS release. Best Marcel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Minimum Gtk version to support in zim
I agree with this sentiment. The current Zim is stable enough and feature rich enough for those unfortunate to be stuck on an older system and unable to upgrade. Zim would not be the only application impacted by their aging environment. Brian .. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Ian Starrie xcau...@gmail.com wrote: My personal opinion on this is that the current version of Zim works quite well and is more than adequate for older out of date distributions. Any progress forward should take full advantage of the latest available tools. I always try to stay as updated as possible with the programs that matter to me, Zim included, and I have no problem installing newer libraries to make those updates work. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
