RE: [ZION] 7 nukes in U.S.,warns al-Qaida

2002-11-16 Thread larry . jackson
Clifford Dubery (in a message to LDS-Poll that must have been blind-copied to Zion-L): What do you make of the following? Clifford M Dubery WorldNetDaily.com ^ | WorldNetDaily 7 nukes in U.S., warns al-Qaida ___ I don't know how the LDS-Poll folks will feel about it, but we've

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
That's the very conclusion I've come to. Stacy. At 11:37 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: I agree with you regarding the basis for materialism. Marxist scientists have for decades attempted to establish a material basis for spiritual experiences, that is nothing

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I agree that there are more sensible alternatives. Doctors need to be sensitive to religious backgrounds as well as physical conditions. Stacy. At 11:32 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: I know someone for whom this is also the case, although for a different condition. But I think today

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active ingredients? Stacy. At 03:08 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: Marc wrote: Many people assume it means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No.

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Didn't the Nephites adopt something similar in terms of freedom of religion, etc.? I don't mean a President and Congress, however. Stacy. At 06:28 PM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Just shows to go that if the world were full of smart and humble people, they would have long ago adopted our

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine. Here's a link to a site that lists the other ingredients: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/dec2001/1007419335.Ch.r.html I would say, offhand, that theobromine is the only other active ingredient; most of the other things get oxidized during

RE: [ZION] [mormon-l] FW: 7 nukes in U.S.,warns al-Qaida

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 11:12 PM 11/15/02, Clifford Dubery wrote: What do you make of the following? Clifford M Dubery WorldNetDaily.com ^ | WorldNetDaily 7 nukes in U.S., warns al-Qaida Man claiming to be top bin Laden operative threatens to kill millions, That the news hasn't gotten down under yet that the

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can remember not so many years ago when it was

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem? Stacy. At 05:43 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies

[ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its Current Form?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
What is your current belief concerning the United States? Does it need to be destroyed in its present form--White House, Congressional buildings, Pentagon, etc., as Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden think or should it remain with its current governmental structural architecture? I know that

Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can

Re: [ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its CurrentForm?

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
To complicate the question, one might also ask what is the future of nation-states in general? Stacy Smith wrote: What is your current belief concerning the United States? Does it need to be destroyed in its present form--White House, Congressional buildings, Pentagon, etc., as Saddam

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The term theobromine, incidentally, comes from Greek, drink of the Gods, and was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to Europe. Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 02:48 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine.

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 08:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: The term theobromine, incidentally, comes from Greek, drink of the Gods, and was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to Europe. Theophylline, however, does not mean friend of the gods, as one might naively guess

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So what's phylline from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited knowledge of Greek, is type in the sense of something that's in a class of things that have something in common. (Same as the word phylum) So I

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Perhaps because the 1,7 and the tri prefixes are mutually exclusive? Just a guess. :) Stephen // /// ZION

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:03 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So what's phylline from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited knowledge of Greek, is type in the sense of something that's in a class of things that have

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:07 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Perhaps because the 1,7 and the tri prefixes are mutually exclusive? Just a guess. :) Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . . Also called paraxanthine; described as an adenosine receptor ligand and a major metabolite of caffeine at

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:29 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . . Also called paraxanthine; described as an adenosine receptor ligand and a major metabolite of

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Aren't adenosine receptors also part of the same pathways that opiates bond to? That might explain the addictive nature of caffeine. Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Oops. I meant

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the bronchials. Interesting. Stacy. At 08:03 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So what's phylline

Re: [ZION] Does America Need To Be Destroyed As It Is In Its Current Form?

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I'm referring to the next couple of years or so. Stacy. At 06:05 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: To complicate the question, one might also ask what is the future of nation-states in general? // /// ZION

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms. Recall that the only way to re-can worms after the can has been opened is to use a larger can. Ronn -- a short lecture on chemical nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers before a chemical

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:56 PM 11/16/02, Stacy Smith wrote: It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the bronchials. Interesting. Caffeine can be used as a bronchodilator, too, and in fact was once used for that purpose.

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-16 Thread larry . jackson
Stephen Beecroft: -Gary- My wife and I saw it today. What a great film. Funny coincidence. We just took the kids to it today, too. ... they should have made Hagrid about twice as big. ___ Our family took up a row at the matinee today. Opening night was not in our budget, but

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm much less enthused by Harry Potter. This was discussed on another list, so I'll just say that I think it could encourage young people in a totally different direction. Maybe I'll have to eat humble pie and read all of the books to find out because so many LDS people seem to be in favor

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Rick Mathis
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote: It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the bronchials. Interesting. For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi when I didn't have access to one of my

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stacy- Don't you know that'll just irritate Protestant Fundamentalists worse than anything else? They'll think we're Satanists for sure! Strong evidence, indeed, in arguing for the virtue of Harry Potter books... Stephen

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote: At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote: It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the bronchials. Interesting. For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi

[ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-16 Thread Stacy Smith
I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping someone to feel better, also lessens perception of personal revelation. Am I right? Stacy. At 05:59 AM 11/17/2002 +, you wrote: Quick recap and primer for all interested parties (or should I say, both interested parties):