This I find to be true and it makes sense when we consider that even in the
early church they would be able to excommunicate members for offenses.
Finally, there is the clear reference to Esau as being hated by God. Even
if this means loved less, isn't that conditional? I forget the
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From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
Ron, You may be right. As a matter of fact I agree with you.
However, Elder Nelson does not. He
that this is the primary response from people on the list - and
that pleases me.
George
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From: Ron Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
George, I think your
George Cobabe wrote:
It is an interesting question to consider. How do we treat comments from
authoritative sources that disagree with others such sources, or with the
scriptures? It is too often a tendency to throw quotes rather than to think
through a question, and now we find it so easy to
Our characterizations and definitions of love itself are ambiguous at
best. No surprise that discussions of this quality in the character and
nature of God are fraught with difficulty.
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-Original Message-
From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
In the February ENSIGN, Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of
the Twelve
wrote an article in which
Ron Scott wrote:
There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses unconditional love and
blessing. Actually, I think the current piece confuses grace/faith/works.
God's love is unconditional, according to Hinckley (many sources). But, the
blessing/rewards are very conditional up faithfulness.
I
Ron Scott wrote:
As I said, you getting the two concepts mixed up. You're making synoymns of
unconditional love and divine blessings. So did Elder Nelson. You'd
better careful who you're calling anti-Christ JWR for you're about to
violate your own bylaws (grin)
I don't believe that I have
In my opinion, there are many Latter-day Saints who do not understand how
unloving and even cruel it is to teach false doctrine.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John, it is equally cruel to teach that the only true doctrine is the one
and the way you understand it.
Ron Scott wrote:
There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses unconditional love and
blessing. Actually, I think the current piece confuses grace/faith/works.
God's love is unconditional, according to Hinckley (many sources). But, the
blessing/rewards are very conditional up faithfulness.
-Original Message-
From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
Ron Scott wrote:
There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses unconditional love and
blessing
, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
-Original Message-
From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?
SNIP
God's love is certainly
On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:47 PM, George Cobabe wrote:
Ron, You may be right. As a matter of fact I agree with you.
However, Elder Nelson does not. He says that God's love is
conditional upon
righteousness.
I think this is a difficult point.
Certain aspects of God's love are without question
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