Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-15 Thread Paul Osborne
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Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:51 AM 11/14/2002, Gary wrote: If it were just us against the North Koreans, I can see your point. But as Jesus told us that the wise man counts his pennies before building the house, we had to determine just what level of interdiction we were willing to make in Korea. Given that the

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread Dan R Allen
No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy. We went into Korea with a limited plan; do not allow the Communists to take over Korea. John: And that is the whole problem. Nations have no business going to war with a limited plan. Do you think that either the North Koreans or

Re: [ZION] Truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Actually, no. We had a treaty, signed by Congress, stating we would defend Korea from any invasions. Congress also ratified our working with the UN on fighting the war. So, it was done under the okay of our Constitution. Sorry, in the USA

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: Were it not for economic and technical assistance given to the Soviet Union and Red China by the United States the North Koreans would never have invaded the South. They wouldn't have been in a position to do so. In fact, a good position

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: The negative impacts were the complete loss of an entire generation of young men vs. a relative handful, significant economic hardship for the people that remained home, and the very real probability that Russia might drop a nuke on American

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: It was. The Korean war was basically a civil war. The North Koreans already controlled part of Korean; hence their distinction as 'North' Koreans. Our scope was limited to ensuring that they did not overthrow the government, and thus control all

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: You mean Congress isn't doing its duty if it isn't always declaring war on someone? No wonder they want to invade Canuckistan now -- there are no other rogue states left. Congress has no duty to declare war. It just has a constitutional

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 05:42 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: Were it not for economic and technical assistance given to the Soviet Union and Red China by the United States the North Koreans would never have invaded the South. They wouldn't have been in a position

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread Dan R Allen
John: I don't know how to say this, but I'll try. In a fight, a combatant must not be allowed sanctuary. If he can attack from sanctuary, there is no way to defeat him. And he is free to kill at his convenience. In war, a general must be allowed to pursue those who retreat to keep them

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: A military officer who disobeys a superiors orders (unless they are illegal) is not fit to be an officer. Unless the order is illegal. And Truman's orders were clearly illegal by any constitutional standards. The whole war was

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: Define win John. To me this is like asking me to define is. Obviously, win means to defeat the enemy. Did we defeat the North Koreans? No. Did we defeat the Chinese? No. No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy. We went

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-13 Thread Paul Osborne
If it isn't, then it is a traitor and betrayer. Which just about sums up what I feel about Truman. He betrayed our armed forced, and deserves to be remembered as one of the blackest villains of our national history. I wonder if his temple ordinances have been performed yet? Hmmm. ;-)