Re: [ZION] Canada: Your ignorance makes you look silly
Indeed. I am only one in thirty million. Aim your invective at me alone. I do not speak for all Canadians. Jim Cobabe wrote: > Our ignorance, we are informed, makes us look silly. Ain't it the > truth. > > Have to accept this assertion about Stephen, I guess, since I have not > met him in person, and can't really guess how his ignorance makes him > look. Perhaps he habitually wears clown makeup, with a white painted > face and big red bulbous nose, orange fright wig. That would certainly > make him look silly, in most circumstances. > > Interesting to consider this from another perspective, too. If our > ignorance makes us look silly, how does our enlightenment affect our > appearance? Are the two factors somehow antagonistic? Does one somehow > prove to be dominant and the other recessive? Might be a good question > for scientific inquiry. > > About my own appearance--I've always been pretty much in agreement with > the sentiment that I look silly. Just seems to be my natural condition. > Never could quite pin it down to anything so specific as the ignorance > factor. > > A word of caution would seem to be in order, though. Perhaps it would > be appropriate to note that such invective issuing from Canada has a way > of assuming an unwarranted degree of importance. > > Of course, we could just dismiss the whole story as being simply > figurative, merely symbolic. :-) > > --- > Mij Ebaboc > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] Canada: Your ignorance makes you look silly
Our ignorance, we are informed, makes us look silly. Ain't it the truth. Have to accept this assertion about Stephen, I guess, since I have not met him in person, and can't really guess how his ignorance makes him look. Perhaps he habitually wears clown makeup, with a white painted face and big red bulbous nose, orange fright wig. That would certainly make him look silly, in most circumstances. Interesting to consider this from another perspective, too. If our ignorance makes us look silly, how does our enlightenment affect our appearance? Are the two factors somehow antagonistic? Does one somehow prove to be dominant and the other recessive? Might be a good question for scientific inquiry. About my own appearance--I've always been pretty much in agreement with the sentiment that I look silly. Just seems to be my natural condition. Never could quite pin it down to anything so specific as the ignorance factor. A word of caution would seem to be in order, though. Perhaps it would be appropriate to note that such invective issuing from Canada has a way of assuming an unwarranted degree of importance. Of course, we could just dismiss the whole story as being simply figurative, merely symbolic. :-) --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] LDS Writer Expects to Be Excommunicated
Saturday, November 30, 2002 BY PATTY HENETZ THE ASSOCIATED PRESS A graduate student at the University of Washington says he likely will be excommunicated next week for articles he has written questioning the validity of the Book of Mormon. Thomas W. Murphy, 35, wrote an article in the May 2002 Signature Books anthology American Apocrypha that used genetic data to discredit the Book of Mormon claim that American Indians are descendants of ancient Israel. The conclusion also is the thesis of his doctoral dissertation. "We're told to tell the truth, but not if the truth contradicts church doctrine. I would prefer to tell the truth," Murphy said. Lavina Fielding Anderson, who in 1993 was excommunicated along with several other historians, biblical scholars and amateur theologians, said Murphy is one of at least three scholars similarly threatened with expulsion or excommunicated in the past three months. "It's kind of deja vu, a repeat of things we've seen several times in the past," said Brent Metcalf, who edited the anthology. "This is it for Tom, I think." Murphy, chairman of the anthropology department at Edmonds Community College in Lynnwood, Wash., will face a church disciplinary council Dec. 8. There, he will be allowed to make a statement and council members may try to change his mind about the Book of Mormon. He won't, because he has made it his quest to expose racism in the scriptures, starting with the teaching that American Indians are descendants of Middle Easterners known as Lamanites, the heathen antagonists in the Book of Mormon. Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is a history of the Americas beginning in 600 B.C. Scripture teaches that a group of Lamanites who decided to forgo violence and war became Christians -- and white. "That's racist," Murphy said. "If we present the Book of Mormon as the history of the Americas, the racist depictions of Lamanites hurt real people." He also objects to church teachings that dark skin is a curse from God. Murphy questioned the lack of minority representation in church leadership, the church's political campaigns against women's and homosexual rights and "the policy of excommunicating scholars who honestly confront problems with church history and doctrines." In a Tuesday e-mail to Signature Books, Anderson said the two other scholars under fire were hoping to avoid public exposure. "Such ecclesiastical actions are deeply distressing," she wrote. Anderson was excommunicated after she presented a history of ecclesiastical troubles between church leaders, scholars and feminists at a Sunstone conference on Mormon scholarship in 1992. High-profile excommunications waned significantly after current church President Gordon B. Hinckley was ordained in 1995. Dale Bills, church spokesman, declined to comment specifically on Murphy's case. "Matters of church discipline are handled on a confidential basis between church members and their local leaders. Local church leaders determine what, if any, disciplinary action is appropriate," Bills said. Trent Stevens, a professor of anatomy and embryology at Idaho State University in Pocatello, met Murphy two years ago when both were panelists at a Sunstone symposium looking at the Book of Mormon and science. He agrees with Murphy's genetics data that virtually all DNA samples so far analyzed link the genetic markers in the current Indian population with native Siberians. But he disagrees with what Murphy has concluded. The Book of Mormon, Stevens said, makes no claim that every American Indian descended from the original displaced Israelites. "Scientific evidence says that's not the case," Stevens said. But that doesn't mean the Book of Mormon is a fiction. "The issue is, it was stated by Joseph Smith that the Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion," Stevens said. "So when you look at genetic and anthropological data regarding native Americans, and say the data prove the book is not of ancient origin, I would say that's grounds for excommunication." Murphy, who described himself as active in Mormon intellectual circles but not a regular churchgoer, said being excommunicated will hurt his relationship with his southern Idaho family, descendants of the first Mormon pioneers. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==
[ZION] 24-ha "arachnid homestead" in B.C.
Andrea Stacey on Eyring-L found a CBC news report site, with lots of photos. Be sure to look at these right before you go to bed tonight... http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2002/11/22/spiders021121 -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot
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[ZION] I was afraid of this...
Saddam Hussein will, naturally, seize upon any excuse to discredit the UN inspection team currently in his country. It's in his interest to do so -- I think that's quite clear. He has in the past accused the former team (rightly, as it turns out) of including people who were not true inspectors, but spies, or at least inspectors who would pass on non-inspection-related intelligence to western militaries. It looks like someone -- no one seems to know who -- just couldn't resist the temptation. A former USMC and Secret Service agent named Harvey "Jack" McGeorge, has been shown to have no inspection credentials. Not only that, but his personal "hobbies" are tailor-made to be forged into a lightning rod for Saddam Hussein. How could they be so stupid? This team has to be not only above-board, but has to avoid the appearance of having spies in its midst, or it risks allowing Saddam to yank the moral carpet (such as it is) out from under the U.S. Here's a link to the article in the Washington Post. I'm posting this to Zion-L and Eyring-L and to an acquaintance on LDS-Poll (I no longer participate there in an attempt to cut down my Internet time because I need more bedrest these days). So I have to point out to Zionisti that this fellow's, er, hobby, consists of subjects the discussion of which are very much against the charter of Zion-L. Please don't go to this post if you're squeamish in that regard. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55682-2002Nov29.html -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] 24-ha "arachnid homestead" in B.C.
Unfortunately I can't find an online link, and it wouldn't have the spooky pictures anyway, but a 24-ha (60-acre) spider web (really a collection of inter-connecting webs, of course) has been found on a farmer's field near McBride, B.C., about 220 kilometres east of Prince George, close to the Alberta border in a valley just west of the Rockies. It was put together by untold millions of tiny black spiders (Halorates ksenius), and the accompanying picture in our Edmonton Journal looks like a bunch of teenagers or movie special effects people were given too much rubber cement and went nuts on a fence and surrounding shrubbery. It is really eerie looking! Old joke from Gulf War I: "what movie is scaring Baghdad residents these days? Iraqnaphobia, of course." -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Lewis on Liberty
OK, I've been on this list for many days now. When are you going to post something Noj - Original Message - From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [ZION] Lewis on Liberty > OK. I'm going to put myself out on a limb here, because I don't know if I > can really do this. But here goes. > > You are hereby invited to join "Lewis on Liberty," a soon to be started > e-zine that will document the history of Liberty, offer commentary on issues > of the day and provide resources on Liberty. For more information use this > link: > > http://www.topica.com/lists/Lewis_on_Liberty > > To join send a blank e-mail to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hope to see one or two of you there. > > Cousin Bill > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.topica.com/lists/Lewis_on_Liberty > Do you want liberty in your lifetime? > http://www.freestateproject.org > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Af
As I have been reading this issue, the one thing that keeps coming to mind is that phrase: Judge not, lest ye be judged. As I contemplate the numerous helpful tips being given, the one that it appears to me is so many people are trying to get God to renege on his agreement to that individual. Did this person go into the waters of baptism and was his sins forgiven? Did this individual repent of his sins? Sorry folks, but no one on this planet has the authority to go against Gods word. If I am forgiven of my sins because God has so indicated, no one has that authority to so no to God, no he hasn't. No bishop, stake president can take back what God has given, and that is forgiveness. period - end of sentance. Vic --- Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Paul - this is excellent advice. If one's motivation for telling on someone >is along the lines of "that person shouldn't have a temple recommend," then >do yourself a favor and keep the lips sealed. However, if you are truly >concerned for an individual's eternal blessings and wish to help them avoid >trying to mock the Lord, then do as Paul (Paul O. that is :-) suggests. >Talk to them. if they are too afraid to go to the Bishop alone, then offer >to go with them. After that, in love and faith, seek the assistance of your >Priesthood leadership to help this individual. > >Jon > >Paul wrote: > >> >If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this >> considered >> >"gossip?" and "heresay?" >> >> >> I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I >> was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would >> probably let the bishop know about it and leave it in his hands for the >> time being. Keep it a private matter with the priesthood authorities. >> Depending on the circumstances I might warn the person that the bishop >> will be tipped off so if there is something to confess they best do it of >> their own free will and choice and get the matter resolved properly. >> >> I don't think it is gossip or what not. Nothing should be said outside >> the bounds of love and general concern for the welfare of the individual >> involved. > >// >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// >/ > _ Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member ---> http://www.DCpages.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Paul's Dad
Well, actually, you may lose that bet. There are a lot of ways in which one can rebel that are not obvious to other mortals. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: > I'll bet I'm more rebellious than you Jon! ;-) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] True Christians
If someone (a) takes on the name of Christ, and (b) keeps His commandments which he has given them, then that person IMVHO is a true Christian. They may not have as many commandments given to them as we have, but then again the Nephites didn't have all the commandments given to them that we have had given to us, and neither has anyone else that I have a firm knowledge of. Of course, I haven't read a "real" definition of a "True Christian" so I guess we may each have our own. But in any event, I am not going to go around telling people that they are not "true" Christians, and I know that you are not going to do that either. I think that we will both do our best to get as many of our Bros and Sisters to do all their own work, and not leave it to someone else later on to complete. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: > After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: > >Unfortunately, however, many members of the Church are not true Christians, > >and many members of other Churches are (which, of course, is not > >unfortunate - the only unfortunate thing is that they are not in the true > >Church). > > I agree that many members of the Church are not true Christians, but I > disagree that there are true Christians outside the Church. There are many > kind, loving, unselfish people outside the Church, but that does not make > them true Christians. There are also a lot of Muslims, Hindu, Buddhist, > and Jews who are kind, loving and unselfish. And we would never call them > Christians. The irrefutable fact is that true Christianity is taught in > only one Church on earth, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > Saints. A true Christian has to be one that follows Christ. And that is > impossible without following his Prophet. > > This is a true teaching that many Latter-day Saints are not comfortable > with. I find such teachings the most interesting of all. > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > At present, the Book of Mormon is studied in our Sunday > School and seminary classes every fourth year. This > four-year pattern, however, must not be followed by > Church members in their personal and family study. We > need to read daily from the pages of the book that will get > a man "nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by > any other book." (Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988) > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot
Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its > > subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them > > acting together. > > So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each > of your posts? > I don't follow you. I don't have any clients, nor am I anybody else's client on this list. But I *will* tell you why I started putting that disclaimer on all of my email. Once, on a non-LDS list, a geography list on about.com moderated by a young geography prof at UCDavis, someone took exception to something I said and threatened to take his complaint to my boss. Also, when I had a calling in public affairs, I was asked not to write any letters-to-the-editor on Church-related matters (not even to defend the Church against a bad article, for instance). > > > And please read properly: it was the *Alberta* government in > > the MediaWorks situation, not the *Canadian* government. > > Good point, duly noted. > > > If you can't even get that right, it's no surprise that you > > get everything else wrong, too. > > Thanks for the kind words. > Hey, it's my job. Just pointing these things out, like you like to do. Who watches the watchers? > > > Jim was wrong, as I've demonstrated on several ocasions. I > > don't care about his dictionary definition. Ducros is no Ari > > Fleischer. > > So then, the dictionary is only correct if it agrees with your personal > definition? > He was wrong when he said it was a public statement -- he's never retracted that, even after being shown that it wasn't a public statement. And it is illogical to claim that because I disagree with someone's interpretation of a dictionary in use in one particular country, that I therefore hold an idiosyncratic definition of my own. Hello? There are far more anglophones outside the USA than inside the USA. I explained the difference between Ducros and Fleischer. I have worked with provincial counterparts of Ducros. I think I can speak on the basis of direct experience. But Jim never acknowledged that either. > > > Your ignorance just makes you look silly. > > How true this is. Thanks again for more kind words. > Well, you're the one who's used to being in the "keep 'em straight" saddle. How does it feel? I meant nothing personal or insulting. As a favourite saying of mine goes, "there's a big difference between ignorance and stupidity: ignorance can be fixed, but stupidity is forever." I never called either you or Jim stupid, but I do believe that, based on this exchange and your refusal to see that things don't necessarily work the way you're used to outside your sphere of influence, that you were exhibiting a lack of knowledge -- ignorance, iow. > Stephen > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] A friend has sent you this Herman comic
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RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot
-Marc- > A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its > subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them > acting together. So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? > And please read properly: it was the *Alberta* government in > the MediaWorks situation, not the *Canadian* government. Good point, duly noted. > If you can't even get that right, it's no surprise that you > get everything else wrong, too. Thanks for the kind words. > Jim was wrong, as I've demonstrated on several ocasions. I > don't care about his dictionary definition. Ducros is no Ari > Fleischer. So then, the dictionary is only correct if it agrees with your personal definition? > Your ignorance just makes you look silly. How true this is. Thanks again for more kind words. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Lewis on Liberty
OK. I'm going to put myself out on a limb here, because I don't know if I can really do this. But here goes. You are hereby invited to join "Lewis on Liberty," a soon to be started e-zine that will document the history of Liberty, offer commentary on issues of the day and provide resources on Liberty. For more information use this link: http://www.topica.com/lists/Lewis_on_Liberty To join send a blank e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope to see one or two of you there. Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.topica.com/lists/Lewis_on_Liberty Do you want liberty in your lifetime? http://www.freestateproject.org // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Paul's Dad
Jon >Don't you follow the prophet's counsel? He said that every member should >always have a valid temple recommend, whether or not they can get to the >temple. Tsk, tsk! :-) No, I don't always follow the prophet's counsel and neither do I always do what the Lord expects of me. I have my ups and downs and am not always on the ball. It's a wonder that the Lord is so gracious and kind in spite of my rebellious spirit. I'll bet I'm more rebellious than you Jon! ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] True Christians
I agree with JWR in so much as a true Christian must be a baptized member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have a testimony given by the Holy Ghost. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
