Re: [ZION] Tell Heidi

2003-10-27 Thread hkpage
I have just LOVED the discussion on this subject! This is great! Thanks, one and all, for your input. It really helped me out. Now, somewhat further on this - and not to toot my own horn, but here goes...the branch we have moved into has had 51 baptisms thus far during 2003, and a good many of

[ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
Rusty Taylor wrote: Then, walk by these people on purpose and lay the flower at their feet and smile sweetly at them. Can you imagine these people with mound of tens of thousands of flowers around them?! Let them be the irrational ones. Let us rise above it and be the examples of Christ. Tha

Re: [ZION] Breaking the charter?

2003-10-27 Thread George Cobabe
Piles of flowers. I say amen to this proposal and suggest that we think of a way to get the word out to enough people to make it so. "Hi, Lonnie. Still acting as silly as ever, well good luck to you the Lord loves you in spite of your foolishness. Here's a flower to make you feel better. See y

Re: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom

2003-10-27 Thread Chet Cox
My feelings about the Principle and its semi-repeal (it's only sort of repealed) is that if it DOES return before The Millenial, it will be because the Lord says to renew it. If it doesn't return, it will because the Lord says not to. It will have nothing to do with the church's political power o

Re: [ZION] I wanna break the charter too

2003-10-27 Thread Chet Cox
This idea is SO wonderful that I think we'll try to save up to go to SLC for the next conference (or maybe for October's). This would be a great photo opportunity for any paper, and I would hope someone would print a photo of one of these hate mongers when they're crushing and kicking the flowers.

Re: [ZION] Breaking the charter?

2003-10-27 Thread Rusty Taylor
When I first heard of this incident, my gut reaction was anger and disgust at the streetpreachers. However, as I thought of it, I told Bob that what should be done at the next Conference (figuring that they will be there again, being offensive again) is everyone going to Conference should buy a si

[ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom

2003-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
I have been reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom and I ran across an interesting statement on page 123: "And who can believe that the Mormons ever would have turned away from the practice of Celestial Marriage, if it were not for federal pressure? No one, least of all in Salt Lake Cit

Re: [ZION] Tell Heidi

2003-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gerald Smith wrote: A few years ago, they heard the discussions but chose not to join, because they didn't want to lose their old traditions/friends/habits. A year or so later, they took the discussions again. This time, the branch president assigned the members to take a turn having this invest

[ZION] Tell Heidi

2003-10-27 Thread Gerald Smith
Okay, I'm back, mostly in lurking mode. But nice to be back. Noel is correct that the spiritual conversion is key. However, most converts I've worked with (Stake Msn Pres/Ward Msn Leader for 10 years) have a testimony of the gospel, but as with the Peter prior to the day of Pentacost, they aren

Re: [ZION] Conversion

2003-10-27 Thread George Cobabe
I do not know that he needs a new family, John. He just needs some of them to repent. His dad is my favority uncle and one that shows me great love and concern and I kinow he loves Jim, cause he tells me so. There are some stange ones in our family - as there are in any family. To those who cla