Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-08 Thread George Cobabe
I have not got to that part yet.  I am only to the initial baptism section.
So far though, I find it very good, although sometimes not as deep in
background quotes as I might have expected.  He is on another list I
participate in and I may yet have some questions for him.

George

- Original Message -
From: "Gerald Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] A reading list


> I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the
> Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through
> any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information
> whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God
> is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information
> from his sources in that area.
> Gary
>
> George Cobabe wrote:
> >
> > Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
> >
> > I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens.  A
> > excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of
> > Mormon
> > from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
> > "Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the
> > principles
> > was truly eye-opening.
> >
> > I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and
> > Early
> > Christianity"  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian
> > Church
> > and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines
> > compare
> > so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "ZION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
> > Subject: [ZION] A reading list
> >
> >
> > > I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
> > > enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
> > > discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
> > > So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
> > > had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
> > > lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
> > > suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
> > > this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
> > >
> > > I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
> > > currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
> > > decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
> > > far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
> > > go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
> > > Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
> > > pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
> > > next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
> > > having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
> > > out there beyond the confines of the earth.
> > >
> > > So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
> > > Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
> > > myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
> > > address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
> > > program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
> > > they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
> > > send the password to the old address (which has since been
> > > cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
> > > units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
> > > thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
> > > and three times as fast as my old computer.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
> > >
> > > Cousin Bill
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > "Our country, right or wrong.  When
> > > right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
> > > to be put right." -- Carl Schurz
> > >
> > >
> >

> >
> > //
> >

Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-08 Thread R. Kent Francis
Kent shares:
We didn't eat chocolate when I visited John in Ketchikan 3 months ago, but 
we went to a place where I ate the best fish chowder I have ever eaten!!!

Steven Montgomery wrote:

Next time you are by my place drop in.  I will give you a chocolate 
covered attaboy.  --JWR


If I ever make it up to Ketchikan I will do just that .



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Savior often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927)

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 04:00 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President 
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. 
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the 
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. 
Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson,  Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In 
addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this 
dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories.
Next time you are by my place drop in.  I will give you a chocolate 
covered attaboy.  --JWR
If I ever make it up to Ketchikan I will do just that .



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often used them. (Orson F. Whitney, Improvement Era, August 1927)

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
John W. Redelfs wrote:

There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  
Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If 
not, they should be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR 

Grampa Bill comments:
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Love y'all,
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President 
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. 
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the 
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. 
Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson,  Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In 
addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this 
dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories.
Next time you are by my place drop in.  I will give you a chocolate covered 
attaboy.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:11 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western 
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html 
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of 
the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and 
replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a 
ten-year reading list?
There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  Have 
you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If not, they 
should be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President 
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. 
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the 
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. 
Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson,  Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In 
addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this 
dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories.



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speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and 
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western 
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html 
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of 
the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and 
replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a 
ten-year reading list?
There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  Have you 
read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If not, they should 
be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery


I'm currently reading:

_The Moral Basis of a Free Society_, by H. Verlan Andersen.

"Lysistrata," by Aristophanes.

_The Hound of the Baskervilles_, by Arthur Conan Doyle.

The play by Aristophanes is book two of a "Great Books of the Western 
World" reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html ) 
that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of the 
books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and replace 
them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a ten-year 
reading list?

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Cousin Bill wrote:
I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
out there beyond the confines of the earth.
So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
send the password to the old address (which has since been
cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
and three times as fast as my old computer.
Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
I've been reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom and discussing it 
some online both here and on some of the other lists.  Recently I finished 
reading a western by Ralph Compton entitled THE VIRGINIA CITY TRAIL.  Also, 
I'm trying to finish up reading THE TEACHINGS OF GORDON B. HINCKLEY, but I 
have quite a way to go.  It is a pretty big book and not exactly fast reading.

John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly,
soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding." (President
Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003)
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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gerald Smith wrote:
I'm currently reading this note you sent.  ;-)

I'm also involved in "how to write science fiction and fantasy" by our
own Orson Scott Card; and "The Book of J" edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary
This is really a coincidence.  I'm reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Bloom, 
and he makes a lot of references to THE BOOK OF J.  Also, I own the Card 
book and have recently put it back on my reading schedule because I just 
started a SF novel a few weeks ago.  --JWR

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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the 
Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through 
any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information 
whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God 
is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information 
from his sources in that area.
Gary

George Cobabe wrote:
> 
> Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
> 
> I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens.  A
> excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of 
> Mormon
> from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
> "Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the 
> principles
> was truly eye-opening.
> 
> I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and 
> Early
> Christianity"  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian 
> Church
> and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines 
> compare
> so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "ZION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
> Subject: [ZION] A reading list
> 
> 
> > I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
> > enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
> > discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
> > So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
> > had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
> > lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
> > suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
> > this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
> >
> > I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
> > currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
> > decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
> > far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
> > go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
> > Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
> > pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
> > next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
> > having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
> > out there beyond the confines of the earth.
> >
> > So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
> > Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
> > myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
> > address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
> > program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
> > they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
> > send the password to the old address (which has since been
> > cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
> > units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
> > thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
> > and three times as fast as my old computer.
> >
> > Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
> >
> > Cousin Bill
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "Our country, right or wrong.  When
> > right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
> > to be put right." -- Carl Schurz
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:28 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote:
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.

I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens.  A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
"Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles
was truly eye-opening.
I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early
Christianity"  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian Church
and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare
so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.


Cool.  Terry and his wife Fiona were in our ward years ago.  I ran into her 
at Education week in '02.  She was buying a copy of his latest book. 8>))

Till

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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm currently reading this note you sent.  ;-)

I'm also involved in "how to write science fiction and fantasy" by our 
own Orson Scott Card; and "The Book of J" edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary


Cousin Bill wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
> enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
> discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
> So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
> had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
> lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
> suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
> this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
> 
> I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
> currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
> decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
> far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
> go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
> Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
> pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
> next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
> having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
> out there beyond the confines of the earth.
> 
> So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
> Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
> myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
> address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
> program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
> they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
> send the password to the old address (which has since been
> cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
> units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
> thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
> and three times as fast as my old computer.
> 
> Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
> 
> Cousin Bill
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Our country, right or wrong.  When
> right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
> to be put right." -- Carl Schurz
> 
> 



Gerald (Gary) Smith
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Thomas VALLETTA
From: Cousin Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ZION <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ZION] A reading list
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:01:36 +0900
So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Read Ann Coulter _Treason_ and _Slander_... Read _Shut Up and Sing!_ by 
Laura Ingraham.  Read When Character was King, by Noonan.  In gospel books: 
_Joseph Smith_ by Remini and the new edition of _Joseph Smith's New England 
Heritage_ by Anderson... It's tough to say this, because it sounds so trite 
-- I loved them all.

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread George Cobabe
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.

I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens.  A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
"Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles
was truly eye-opening.

I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early
Christianity"  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian Church
and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare
so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.

George


- Original Message - 
From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ZION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: [ZION] A reading list


> I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
> enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
> discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
> So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
> had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
> lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
> suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
> this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
>
> I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
> currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
> decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
> far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
> go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
> Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
> pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
> next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
> having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
> out there beyond the confines of the earth.
>
> So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
> Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
> myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
> address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
> program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
> they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
> send the password to the old address (which has since been
> cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
> units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
> thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
> and three times as fast as my old computer.
>
> Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
>
> Cousin Bill
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Our country, right or wrong.  When
> right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
> to be put right." -- Carl Schurz
>
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[ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Cousin Bill
I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.

I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
out there beyond the confines of the earth.

So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
send the password to the old address (which has since been
cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
and three times as fast as my old computer.

Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?

Cousin Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Our country, right or wrong.  When
right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
to be put right." -- Carl Schurz

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