RE: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- > there are times in my life when I sneak a prayer to Jesus only > without thinking of the Father. I wouldn't teach this at the > church pulpit, or what not, but I am telling my friends (you) in > private that sometimes (not often) I just want to focus my > thoughts on Christ alone and tell

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Ya know, now that you mention it, I don't think that there is anything wrong with having a little talk with Christ. The gratitude I am certain we all feel for Christ and what He did for us is well beyond anything that I can express in words. And how about talking with your mother or father or sp

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: > > Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we don't pray to Jesus > Christ. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Anyway, it is > impossible to worship one member of the Godhead without worshipping all > three. They are that "one." --JWR So does this

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Thanks for the references. I had in mind only one, and I'm too lazy to go look it up, but I'm sure it's well known to list members, and that's BRMcC's famous "Seven Deadly Heresies" talk. Also, if I recall correctly, didn't the Nephites worship Christ only to

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
Paul Osborne favored us with: Bernard P. Brockbank, "The Living Christ," Ensign, May 1977, 26 "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worships a God and a Jesus Christ with bodies, with parts, and with passions." Which is not to say that we are to pray to Jesus Christ. We are not sup

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread John W. Redelfs
Paul Osborne favored us with: "Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern prophets and apostles. Though all the world may say th

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
Marc >I certainly wouldn't object to that. You my friend, are indeed a Christian. :-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com /

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Paul Osborne
>Also, if I recall correctly, didn't the Nephites worship >Christ only to a point, after which he told them to worship the Father? The Nephites worshipped Christ because he was the ETERNAL GOD and they loved him with all their hearts. It is true that the mortal Jesus taught the Jews how to pray t

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I certainly wouldn't object to that. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Interesting -- I think you might have me there, at least partially, as I > was > >unaware of the GBH quote. I suppose I should have defined the term more > tightly > >and say that we don't *pray* to Jesus Christ. > > Right. I can go alon

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-21 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks for the references. I had in mind only one, and I'm too lazy to go look it up, but I'm sure it's well known to list members, and that's BRMcC's famous "Seven Deadly Heresies" talk. Also, if I recall correctly, didn't the Nephites worship Christ only to a point, after which he told them to wo

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Bernard P. Brockbank, “The Living Christ,” Ensign, May 1977, 26 “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worships a God and a Jesus Christ with bodies, with parts, and with passions." Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for J

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Stephen E. Robinson, “Are Mormons Christians?” New Era, May 1998, 41 “Both the Book of Mormon as scripture and Joseph Smith as a prophet bear witness to Jesus Christ as Savior. The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price bear that same great witness, as do all of the modern prophets and ap

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
>I confess your quotes regarding worshiping Christ are troubling with regard >to his verse. How do you reconcile the two? I've got to go to bed now. I'm absolutely exhausted and sick too, again. I'll just say that the difference between the three members of the Godhead boils down to one fact, an

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread George Cobabe
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Worship Christ > George, > > You're welcome to take up your differences with President Hinkley if you > like. As for me and my house, we will "worship Christ&qu

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
preciation the Son, > our > redeemer, but we worship only the Father. > > George > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:05 PM > Subjec

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
First Presidency Message A Testimony of the Son of God Ensign, December 2002 By President Gordon B. Hinckley "We honor Him, we worship Him, we love Him as our Redeemer, the great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New Testament. The entire thrust of the testimony of the Book of Mo

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Bruce R. McConkie, BYU Devotional speech, 2 March 1982: "Let us set forth those doctrines and concepts that a gracious God has given to us in this day and which must be understood in order to gain eternal life. They are: "1. We worship the Father and him only and no one els

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread John W. Redelfs
Paul Osborne favored us with: I agree with you on this John and submit the following to Marc which I think shows that we must worship Christ as well as his Father and not just in name only: “They Spoke to Us,” Friend, Dec. 1998, 15 “President Gordon B. Hinckley: We believe in Christ. We worship

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread George Cobabe
sborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Worship Christ > Marc > >We have been told to worship God the Father. Period. Not even Jesus > Christ -- God >the Father. > > > What do you mean we

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
>Interesting -- I think you might have me there, at least partially, as I was >unaware of the GBH quote. I suppose I should have defined the term more tightly >and say that we don't *pray* to Jesus Christ. Right. I can go along with this, Marc. However, you might recall that I said earlier that t

RE: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- > What do you mean we don't worship Christ? I worship Jesus Christ > and so do the prophets of every dispensation. [...] I agree with > you on this John and submit the following to Marc which I think > shows that we must worship Christ as well as his Father and not > just in name only: [...]

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Interesting -- I think you might have me there, at least partially, as I was unaware of the GBH quote. I suppose I should have defined the term more tightly and say that we don't *pray* to Jesus Christ. Paul Osborne wrote: > Paul Osborne favored us with: > >What do you mean we don't worship Chris

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Paul Osborne favored us with: >What do you mean we don't worship Christ? I worship Jesus Christ and so >do the prophets of every dispensation. >>Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we don't pray to Jesus >>Christ. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Anyway, it is >>im

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Actually we worship *in the name of Jesus Christ," but we have been told to worship only the Father, and to address our prayers only to Him. Paul Osborne wrote: > Marc > >We have been told to worship God the Father. Period. Not even Jesus > Christ -- God >the Father. > > What do you mean we don't

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread John W. Redelfs
Paul Osborne favored us with: What do you mean we don't worship Christ? I worship Jesus Christ and so do the prophets of every dispensation. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we don't pray to Jesus Christ. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Anyway, it is impossib

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-20 Thread Paul Osborne
Marc >We have been told to worship God the Father. Period. Not even Jesus Christ -- God >the Father. What do you mean we don't worship Christ? I worship Jesus Christ and so do the prophets of every dispensation. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] _