[ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
The Zion list is moving. Because of an unacceptable number of problems at Topica, I am moving the Zion list to SmartGroups. (http://www.smartgroups.com/index.cfm?) Also, because the software at SmartGroups will not accept a list name of only four characters, while hosted at SmartGroups the

Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Stacy Smith
How do we forward replies over there? Stacy. At 02:00 AM 12/23/2002 -0900, you wrote: The Zion list is moving. Because of an unacceptable number of problems at Topica, I am moving the Zion list to SmartGroups. (http://www.smartgroups.com/index.cfm?) Also, because the software at SmartGroups

Re: Fwd: Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:01 12/23/2002 -0500, Till tested: St Stacy queried: How do we forward replies over there? I'm testing this right now. It should be to cut and paste [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To: field. If you don't get this message, let me know! I've gotten it back via smartgroups, I'm still

Re: Fwd: Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:03 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 09:01 12/23/2002 -0500, Till tested: St Stacy queried: How do we forward replies over there? I'm testing this right now. It should be to cut and paste [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To: field. If you don't get this message, let me know! I've

Re: [ZION] test

2002-12-23 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:32:21 -0700, Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Test E. ALL OF THE ABOVE. (Did I pass?) Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: How do we forward replies over there? Unless you are a subscribed member of [EMAIL PROTECTED], there is no way. To subscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --JWR // /// ZION

Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought I already was. Stacy. At 02:39 PM 12/23/2002 -0900, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: How do we forward replies over there? Unless you are a subscribed member of [EMAIL PROTECTED], there is no way. To subscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --JWR

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we don't pray to Jesus Christ. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Anyway, it is impossible to worship one member of the Godhead without worshipping all three. They are that one. --JWR So does this mean

Re: [ZION] can't be a sealer

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
And do you realize how boring it is to be a sealer? Saying all those words, over and over again, and trying to pronounce those ferin names and all. Now, working in Initiatories - THAT is a true privilege! Jon - Original Message - From: Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Ya know, now that you mention it, I don't think that there is anything wrong with having a little talk with Christ. The gratitude I am certain we all feel for Christ and what He did for us is well beyond anything that I can express in words. And how about talking with your mother or father or

Re: [ZION] can't be a sealer

2002-12-23 Thread George Cobabe
I worked as a baptizer in the Ogden Temple - figured it was the only way I could serve and still stay awake. Never boring - get bored and you drown. I finally had to quit - couldn't stay quiet that long. After a while you get tired of old men telling you to be quiet. But it was great for the

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Well, then, if I am on an eternal progression, how come my current house is smaller than my previous home (although the lack of a current mortgage is a nice by-product!). And does this mean that I've been PO'ed? :-) Jon Paul Osborne wrote: Then, my friend, what is meant by the term eternal

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Sorry, but your stating a specific definition does not make it so. The prophets and the scriptures tell me something different than they tell you. Good thing we have a prophet to sort things out for us! And I'll bet that GBH would not think that this specific discussion was high on his list to

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
And just to add a little something, this is not what I believe we are taught in the temple. Jon - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law I agree with with

Re: [ZION] Iraq

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
We do bear the responsibility of any inaction we support when we could have acted with a reasonable expectation of success. This sentence begs a long discussion about such things as success but that is not something I have time to go into right now. perhaps when I return from our descent into

Re: Re:[ZION] World's Tallest Buildings

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
I am glad that you know what is in the hearts of all men. I myself have no such gift. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: No, we are just modest and humble in spite of our reasons for being arrogant. Wouldn't it be nice if our fellow Americans were the same? Instead they indulge themselves in

Re: [ZION] Notice from the Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Jon Spencer
I would, except I have not yet received a response from my subscription. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: [ZION] Notice from the Listowner I have a special request. Will those of

RE: [ZION] Worship Christ

2002-12-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- there are times in my life when I sneak a prayer to Jesus only without thinking of the Father. I wouldn't teach this at the church pulpit, or what not, but I am telling my friends (you) in private that sometimes (not often) I just want to focus my thoughts on Christ alone and tell him

RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-George- When God created this universe -Jon- He did not create this universe. He caused it to be organized. Big difference! -Stephen- The prophets and the scriptures are unanimous in declaring that God did, indeed, create the heavens and the earth. Cause to be organized is what create

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread Marc A. Schindler
No, it means you've been humbled, which is spiritual progression... Jon Spencer wrote: Well, then, if I am on an eternal progression, how come my current house is smaller than my previous home (although the lack of a current mortgage is a nice by-product!). And does this mean that I've been

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread George Cobabe
The term eternal progression does not occur in either scripture nor early church literature. What does that tell us? Is it a term like *free* agency when *moral* agency is the correct term? George - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-23 Thread George Cobabe
Geez, I have lost track of who is arguing what and why? The original point was that as God created/organized the world He also created/organized the law that governed it. To criticize me for using a word that you object to, when I capitulated and used your word (organize) instead of the