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Let me know if and when it changes. I get pretty good information from a variety of sources, but there's nothing like first-hand reports. And congratulations on the growth in your area. Jon Spencer wrote: > The website is currently correct. The Stake presidency submitted two > proposals. The first was to split the stake, but that was denied because we > a still a little short of the required number of members. However, they had > already authorized the building of a stake center next to the temple, which > we are eagerly awaiting. The building is coming along nicely, and the > steeple was put on a few weeks ago.. It is getting a little old setting up > for ~300 people each week, and dragging stuff back and forth. I usually > bring the hymnals, but due to people being gone this weekend, I also have > the Sacrament trays and the nursery items. It's a good thing that I > followed D&C 141 and have a paid for white van! > > We are using a room in the lower level of our bookstore for BYC, BYD, > presidency meetings of all types, troop committee meetings, RS meetings, > etc. Some other wards are using it as well, as well as groups that come to > the temple. This will go on until either (a) we use it for another purpose > (one I can't disclose), or (b) October 2003 comes around, which is when it > should be completed. > > The second proposal will most likely be implemented, which is to form a new > ward out of parts of the Apex, Holly Springs, Garner and Cary 2nd wards, > name rumored to be lots of things! That should have in Jan or Feb > (supposedly). > > Jon > > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > What stake are you in, Jon? If you look at your stake map on > www.gatheringofisrael.com (and drill down to the appropriate level; the > Atlas is > on the left hand side of the main page), you can see the wards (black > squares) and > branches (yellow squares) I have as per the date indicated on the map. If > there > are updates, could you let me know, and I'll update the map. Thanks. > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Fundis
The website is currently correct. The Stake presidency submitted two proposals. The first was to split the stake, but that was denied because we a still a little short of the required number of members. However, they had already authorized the building of a stake center next to the temple, which we are eagerly awaiting. The building is coming along nicely, and the steeple was put on a few weeks ago.. It is getting a little old setting up for ~300 people each week, and dragging stuff back and forth. I usually bring the hymnals, but due to people being gone this weekend, I also have the Sacrament trays and the nursery items. It's a good thing that I followed D&C 141 and have a paid for white van! We are using a room in the lower level of our bookstore for BYC, BYD, presidency meetings of all types, troop committee meetings, RS meetings, etc. Some other wards are using it as well, as well as groups that come to the temple. This will go on until either (a) we use it for another purpose (one I can't disclose), or (b) October 2003 comes around, which is when it should be completed. The second proposal will most likely be implemented, which is to form a new ward out of parts of the Apex, Holly Springs, Garner and Cary 2nd wards, name rumored to be lots of things! That should have in Jan or Feb (supposedly). Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: What stake are you in, Jon? If you look at your stake map on www.gatheringofisrael.com (and drill down to the appropriate level; the Atlas is on the left hand side of the main page), you can see the wards (black squares) and branches (yellow squares) I have as per the date indicated on the map. If there are updates, could you let me know, and I'll update the map. Thanks. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Fundis
What stake are you in, Jon? If you look at your stake map on www.gatheringofisrael.com (and drill down to the appropriate level; the Atlas is on the left hand side of the main page), you can see the wards (black squares) and branches (yellow squares) I have as per the date indicated on the map. If there are updates, could you let me know, and I'll update the map. Thanks. Jon Spencer wrote: > Actually, the Baptists in our area (Raleigh) have a hard time bashing the > Church, mainly because of decades of selfless service by so many members in > this area. The temple was well accepted in this area, and won the Apex > award for the most beautiful property (or something like that) last year. > Our bookstore was also well accepted. Yes, there were a few wackos out > there. One day while I was at the temple site during its construction, we > looked out of the construction trailer to see some wackos in a circle > praying about something or another. When we approached them (just two of us > with friendly smiles) they disappeared. > > A similar thing has happened at the middle school our ward meets at. We > have grown so much in the area that we ran out of room. They are building a > new stake centre-sized building, but it will not be ready until next > October. We are, in fact, meeting in the most expensive LDS meeting house > in the world. We have to pay the Wake County Public School System > $10/person each Sunday. Since we always have between 250 - 300 people, we > pay more than $10K/month! Well, anyway, on a couple of Sundays some folks > have come to the school, dressed in other than normal goin'-to-meetin' > attire. They were not very friendly when I greeted them. A little later, > during the Sacrament meeting, we spied them holding a similar prayer circle > outside the school. > > Apparently, it hasn't worked! We are about to form yet another ward (who > will be without a home, but will probably travel to a meeting house closer > to that part of our ward that does have a single time slot available). > > a couple of years back, we had 12 wards in our stake. The Stake > presidencies goal was 12 stakes by 2020. We may make it! > > Jon > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott McGee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "zion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [ZION] Fundis > > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:58:16 -0500, "Jon Spencer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on > > > just > > > about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You > > > can > > > do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. > > > > Wow! Your Baptists only have one anti-Mormon meeting a year? I think here > > they range more like six or seven. And not just the Baptists, though they > > are the worst most of the time. > > > > Scott > > > > -- > > Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as > > down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) > > Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ > > > > -- > > http://fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > > > > > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > > / > > > > > > > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Actually, the Baptists in our area (Raleigh) have a hard time bashing the Church, mainly because of decades of selfless service by so many members in this area. The temple was well accepted in this area, and won the Apex award for the most beautiful property (or something like that) last year. Our bookstore was also well accepted. Yes, there were a few wackos out there. One day while I was at the temple site during its construction, we looked out of the construction trailer to see some wackos in a circle praying about something or another. When we approached them (just two of us with friendly smiles) they disappeared. A similar thing has happened at the middle school our ward meets at. We have grown so much in the area that we ran out of room. They are building a new stake centre-sized building, but it will not be ready until next October. We are, in fact, meeting in the most expensive LDS meeting house in the world. We have to pay the Wake County Public School System $10/person each Sunday. Since we always have between 250 - 300 people, we pay more than $10K/month! Well, anyway, on a couple of Sundays some folks have come to the school, dressed in other than normal goin'-to-meetin' attire. They were not very friendly when I greeted them. A little later, during the Sacrament meeting, we spied them holding a similar prayer circle outside the school. Apparently, it hasn't worked! We are about to form yet another ward (who will be without a home, but will probably travel to a meeting house closer to that part of our ward that does have a single time slot available). a couple of years back, we had 12 wards in our stake. The Stake presidencies goal was 12 stakes by 2020. We may make it! Jon - Original Message - From: "Scott McGee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "zion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Fundis > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:58:16 -0500, "Jon Spencer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on > > just > > about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You > > can > > do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. > > Wow! Your Baptists only have one anti-Mormon meeting a year? I think here > they range more like six or seven. And not just the Baptists, though they > are the worst most of the time. > > Scott > > -- > Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as > down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) > Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ > > -- > http://fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:58:16 -0500, "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on > just > about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You > can > do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. Wow! Your Baptists only have one anti-Mormon meeting a year? I think here they range more like six or seven. And not just the Baptists, though they are the worst most of the time. Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I guess I'd have to agree with this. Stacy. At 09:19 AM 11/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: This of course begs the question whether ANYONE should be telling others how to run their lives. And I do not think that this is a simple question. Prophets throughout time have told people how to run their lives. Was this wrong? personally, I do not think so, and in fact I am grateful that they did. There is a difference, though, between telling someone how to live and forcing someone to live that way. So again, this begs the question whether ANYONE should be forcing people to live a certain way, and again, this is not a simple question. Some political philosophies believe that so long as one's actions do not infringe upon another person's property (life and non-procreative derivatives thereof), then they should not be compelled or restricted in any way. Of course, my definition of property would make the "a" word improper, but this particular political group feels differently. Other political philosophies believe you should be compelled in almost everything because these leaders apparently know better than you or I do what is best. God created governments to achieve some kind of balance, which presumably allows the greatest personal agency that at the same time allows the society to function and prosper, and to live in relative safety and peace. I would think that it is our responsibility to try to create and maintain that type of government. And as for anyone telling us how to live our lives so long as they do not force us to live that way, I say, go for it! Jon Paul Osborne wrote: > >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? > > No. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Well, I was told the same thing but not in a visible way. I wish I had a design on my shirt saying so. It's too bad we're not allowed to do that. Stacy. At 12:43 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Again, absolutely not! The Baptists need to forsake their apostate religion, quit telling people what to do, and come to Mormonism. It is the only way. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." JS-H 1:19 Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Y'all just come on down here to Apex, NC. We have a Baptist church on just about every corner. YOU tell them to convert to Christ's church. You can do it during their annual anti-Mormon Sunday meeting. Of course, the field IS ripe and ready to harvest. We have had more than 15 convert baptisms in our ward this year. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: > >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Again, absolutely not! The Baptists need to forsake their apostate religion, quit telling people what to do, and come to Mormonism. It is the only way. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." JS-H 1:19 Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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> >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Again, absolutely not! The Baptists need to forsake their apostate religion, quit telling people what to do, and come to Mormonism. It is the only way. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof. JS-H 1:19 Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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This of course begs the question whether ANYONE should be telling others how to run their lives. And I do not think that this is a simple question. Prophets throughout time have told people how to run their lives. Was this wrong? personally, I do not think so, and in fact I am grateful that they did. There is a difference, though, between telling someone how to live and forcing someone to live that way. So again, this begs the question whether ANYONE should be forcing people to live a certain way, and again, this is not a simple question. Some political philosophies believe that so long as one's actions do not infringe upon another person's property (life and non-procreative derivatives thereof), then they should not be compelled or restricted in any way. Of course, my definition of property would make the "a" word improper, but this particular political group feels differently. Other political philosophies believe you should be compelled in almost everything because these leaders apparently know better than you or I do what is best. God created governments to achieve some kind of balance, which presumably allows the greatest personal agency that at the same time allows the society to function and prosper, and to live in relative safety and peace. I would think that it is our responsibility to try to create and maintain that type of government. And as for anyone telling us how to live our lives so long as they do not force us to live that way, I say, go for it! Jon Paul Osborne wrote: > >Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should > >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? > > No. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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>Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should >Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? No. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Actually, all I was trying to ask in a general way was: Should Fundamentalist Baptists be telling anyone how to run their lives? Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
