RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
All of the other righteous had been translated to the City of Enoch, or like Methuselah, died of old age prior to the Flood. It seems that some of that may happen at the last days for us too. Either there will be a translation of many members (see Matthew 24, where it talks of two in the field and one taken); or we will have Zion and her stakes as refuges (see the end of DC 45, where it states Zion will be a refuge). The time will come when we will gather out from among the wicked. When that occurs, you can be assured your family will be safe. Until then, feel comforted in Pres Packer's promise that if we do all we can with our children, they will someday come back if they fall away. I feel that is a special provision given by God in order to keep the saints out in the midst of the spiritual dangers we now face, just so the world can be blessed with our presence for as long as possible. Still, DC 87 tells us that in the last days when the last of the slaves rise up in anger against the Gentiles (which I strongly believe is the Islamic Extremist attacks going on), we are to prepare for the great destructions and disasters of the final days; then stand in holy places. Believe in God, believe in his miracles. Unlike the calvary in many old movies, God does show up in the nick of time. Gary Smith John W. Redelfs wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond. If the whole earth turns homosexual, except for the Saints, so what? I understand the earth just before the Second Coming will be as it was in the days of Noah. And from my reading I've learned that the reason God had to drown the world is because the world had become so wicked there was no way for a person to raise up a righteous posterity. Noah, his wife, three sons, and three daughters-in-law were all that were saved. What about Noah's other children and grandchildren if he had any, his nieces and nephews, his siblings? The point I'm trying to make is that even if things are going according to God's plan, it is still right for us to worry about our children and grandchildren. What chance do they have to grow up straight and true in such a world? If the whole world turns homosexual it won't be except for the Saints. It will be many that are close to you, your grandchildren and great grandchildren. For me that is a painful thought and a good reason for family prayer, family scripture study, and Family Home Evening. And even then our own families will be in terrible danger. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the history of the world to compare with our present circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity which surrounds us now. --President Boyd K. Packer, February 28, 2004 === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond. If the whole earth turns homosexual, except for the Saints, so what? How will that affect your testimony? How will it overcome the work of God? We have many more righteous on earth right now than Noah had in his day before the ark. Why should we be any different? Don't forget, those that be with us are more than those against us. We have battalions of angels ready to fight our battles. God told us in the Book of Mormon that if necessary, he will call down fire from heaven to defend us from His enemies. So, we put up the good fight, knowing that we'll lose some skirmishes along the way, but the entire war is ours. And that IS a comforting thought to me. Gary Smith Jon Spencer wrote: Satan wants you to be discouraged, John. Take heart. Do something positive, perhaps encouraging same-sex marriage by taking on a few more wives. Okay, maybe not. But do something to help the situation and you will feel much better. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: [ZION] General Conference Hopes General Conference is coming up in less than a month on April 3 and 4. I hope that President Hinckley will give us some additional guidance on the matter of same-sex marriages. Right now I am terribly discouraged. The advocates of same-sex marriage seem to have a plan and are all pulling together for what they want. The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, seem to be in a state a great confusion pulling in several different directions. I see no hope that the opponents of same-sex marriage will prevail when they cannot even agree on a common strategy. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
I guess I have to agree with my Father's (John R) email of March 10th. Living in Massachusetts, and seeing how uniform and articulate the proponents of Same Sex Marriage are, and seeing how lost for words the Traditional Family side isit is sad. For years the media has been normalizing homosexuality, and families who don't believe that have just shut it out of their homes, but didn't take the further step to fight back. Now, the common follower of the media has no problem with homosexuality because they are friends with the characters of Will and Grace. I attended a rally at the Massachusetts State house in Feb. Hundreds and Hundreds of people in favor of SSM, but only a small handful of those in opposition. Of course those in opposition were taking the side of religion, singing hymns through a megaphone. The Middle American who is not particularly religious, but is against SSM, is alienated. Those in favor of Traditional families, for whatever reason (religion or not) should band together, and become articulate, and sit at the side. I cannot say so what because all these people who may be choosing the wrong about SSM, need to be warned. It is our duty to warn our neighbor. Now, will we win...no. But we have to show each other and most importantly Heavenly Father that we fought the good fight for His cause. I do not think President Hinckley will give more counsel on what we should do on the matter. He may encourage us, and reiterate what the church has already said. But it seems that Heavenly Father tells us what is right, and lets us figure it out on our own (with the great help of personal revelation). It is not often we get step by step guidance over the pulpit. As a side note, Im holding the List owners only BEAUTIFUL granddaughter (my sister Rebekah's Baby). She would really like to contribute her typing to this post. Julia is 6 months old, and generally happy. I wish you all could see her. She has her Grandpa Redelfs' big eyes and forehead :) Sara Peterson Brookline Mass From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:53:10 + I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond. If the whole earth turns homosexual, except for the Saints, so what? How will that affect your testimony? How will it overcome the work of God? We have many more righteous on earth right now than Noah had in his day before the ark. Why should we be any different? Don't forget, those that be with us are more than those against us. We have battalions of angels ready to fight our battles. God told us in the Book of Mormon that if necessary, he will call down fire from heaven to defend us from His enemies. So, we put up the good fight, knowing that we'll lose some skirmishes along the way, but the entire war is ours. And that IS a comforting thought to me. Gary Smith Jon Spencer wrote: Satan wants you to be discouraged, John. Take heart. Do something positive, perhaps encouraging same-sex marriage by taking on a few more wives. Okay, maybe not. But do something to help the situation and you will feel much better. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: [ZION] General Conference Hopes General Conference is coming up in less than a month on April 3 and 4. I hope that President Hinckley will give us some additional guidance on the matter of same-sex marriages. Right now I am terribly discouraged. The advocates of same-sex marriage seem to have a plan and are all pulling together for what they want. The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, seem to be in a state a great confusion pulling in several different directions. I see no hope that the opponents of same-sex marriage will prevail when they cannot even agree on a common strategy. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com
RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
-Original Message- From: Sara Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes SNIP As a side note, Im holding the List owners only BEAUTIFUL granddaughter (my sister Rebekah's Baby). She would really like to contribute her typing to this post. Julia is 6 months old, and generally happy. I wish you all could see her. She has her Grandpa Redelfs' big eyes and forehead :) Sara, you didn't mention her mouth: does it also resemble Grandpa John's grin Ron Scott Dover, MA. (whose kids go to school in Brookline) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
Sara, nice to hear your comments on this. I agree, we must stand for the right. We also must not be afraid to establish the idea that homosexuality is a sin and evil and is bad for society. Why do so many have so little to say against it? Because they've given up the good/evil platform. When we start shuffling our feet on right/wrong, because it isn't politically correct, we are then caught in the middle with little or nothing to say, and definitely nothing to defend. Will we win? YES It might not be in the short term, but the time will come when all the wicked will be wiped off the earth, and we will all rejoice in the higher laws that all must live. Gary Smith Sara Peterson wrote: I guess I have to agree with my Father's (John R) email of March 10th. Living in Massachusetts, and seeing how uniform and articulate the proponents of Same Sex Marriage are, and seeing how lost for words the Traditional Family side isit is sad. For years the media has been normalizing homosexuality, and families who don't believe that have just shut it out of their homes, but didn't take the further step to fight back. Now, the common follower of the media has no problem with homosexuality because they are friends with the characters of Will and Grace. I attended a rally at the Massachusetts State house in Feb. Hundreds and Hundreds of people in favor of SSM, but only a small handful of those in opposition. Of course those in opposition were taking the side of religion, singing hymns through a megaphone. The Middle American who is not particularly religious, but is against SSM, is alienated. Those in favor of Traditional families, for whatever reason (religion or not) should band together, and become articulate, and sit at the side. I cannot say so what because all these people who may be choosing the wrong about SSM, need to be warned. It is our duty to warn our neighbor. Now, will we win...no. But we have to show each other and most importantly Heavenly Father that we fought the good fight for His cause. I do not think President Hinckley will give more counsel on what we should do on the matter. He may encourage us, and reiterate what the church has already said. But it seems that Heavenly Father tells us what is right, and lets us figure it out on our own (with the great help of personal revelation). It is not often we get step by step guidance over the pulpit. As a side note, Im holding the List owners only BEAUTIFUL granddaughter (my sister Rebekah's Baby). She would really like to contribute her typing to this post. Julia is 6 months old, and generally happy. I wish you all could see her. She has her Grandpa Redelfs' big eyes and forehead :) Sara Peterson Brookline Mass From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:53:10 + I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond. If the whole earth turns homosexual, except for the Saints, so what? How will that affect your testimony? How will it overcome the work of God? We have many more righteous on earth right now than Noah had in his day before the ark. Why should we be any different? Don't forget, those that be with us are more than those against us. We have battalions of angels ready to fight our battles. God told us in the Book of Mormon that if necessary, he will call down fire from heaven to defend us from His enemies. So, we put up the good fight, knowing that we'll lose some skirmishes along the way, but the entire war is ours. And that IS a comforting thought to me. Gary Smith Jon Spencer wrote: Satan wants you to be discouraged, John. Take heart. Do something positive, perhaps encouraging same-sex marriage by taking on a few more wives. Okay, maybe not. But do something to help the situation and you will feel much better. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: [ZION] General Conference Hopes General Conference is coming up in less than a month on April 3 and 4. I hope that President Hinckley will give us some additional guidance on the matter of same-sex marriages. Right now I am terribly discouraged. The advocates of same-sex marriage seem to have a plan and are all pulling together for what they want. The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, seem to be in a state a great confusion pulling in several different
RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
Gerald Smith wrote: I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond. If the whole earth turns homosexual, except for the Saints, so what? I understand the earth just before the Second Coming will be as it was in the days of Noah. And from my reading I've learned that the reason God had to drown the world is because the world had become so wicked there was no way for a person to raise up a righteous posterity. Noah, his wife, three sons, and three daughters-in-law were all that were saved. What about Noah's other children and grandchildren if he had any, his nieces and nephews, his siblings? The point I'm trying to make is that even if things are going according to God's plan, it is still right for us to worry about our children and grandchildren. What chance do they have to grow up straight and true in such a world? If the whole world turns homosexual it won't be except for the Saints. It will be many that are close to you, your grandchildren and great grandchildren. For me that is a painful thought and a good reason for family prayer, family scripture study, and Family Home Evening. And even then our own families will be in terrible danger. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === I know of nothing in the history of the Church or in the history of the world to compare with our present circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds the wickedness and depravity which surrounds us now. --President Boyd K. Packer, February 28, 2004 === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
Satan wants you to be discouraged, John. Take heart. Do something positive, perhaps encouraging same-sex marriage by taking on a few more wives. Okay, maybe not. But do something to help the situation and you will feel much better. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: [ZION] General Conference Hopes General Conference is coming up in less than a month on April 3 and 4. I hope that President Hinckley will give us some additional guidance on the matter of same-sex marriages. Right now I am terribly discouraged. The advocates of same-sex marriage seem to have a plan and are all pulling together for what they want. The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, seem to be in a state a great confusion pulling in several different directions. I see no hope that the opponents of same-sex marriage will prevail when they cannot even agree on a common strategy. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] General Conference Hopes
Though the advocates of SSM (even the initials seem dirty) are, as you say, working together (showing a masterful example of co-operation which Protestant Christianity has rarely done) I think we can still hold to the old adage that any one person, plus the Lord, is a majority. However, I would not be very surprised if the Lord's prophet tells us to do our best at the voting booth, at writing our designated representatives, and tells us to accept whatever the government chooses to do. (Accept as in no violent overthrows. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with continuing to fuss with our Congress.) After all, we pretty much have to accept that the things which have been prophecied for the last days will occur. And this looks like one of 'em. *jeep! ---Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: [ZION] General Conference Hopes General Conference is coming up in less than a month on April 3 and 4. I hope that President Hinckley will give us some additional guidance on the matter of same-sex marriages. Right now I am terribly discouraged. The advocates of same-sex marriage seem to have a plan and are all pulling together for what they want. The opponents of same-sex marriage, on the other hand, seem to be in a state a great confusion pulling in several different directions. I see no hope that the opponents of same-sex marriage will prevail when they cannot even agree on a common strategy. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
