[zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-20 Thread Joe Barbey
Hi all,

I've got a situation that doesn't seem to be really covered in the 
various docs I've read up to now.  I have a number of servers where I 
want to do something like the following, if possible.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.

I would like to host a number of zones on a server, let's say an m4000, 
but I want those zones to be on a different subnet than the global.  So 
far, no problem: use exclusive-IP.  However, currently I don't have 
enough NICs to give one each to all zones.  One thought I had was a sort 
of mix of shared-IP and exclusive-IP.  Give a couple of different zones 
the same NIC in exclusive-IP mode.  I haven't tried it, but I'm fairly 
certain this won't work, as each zone will try to control the NIC itself.

My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the 
non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using 
shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was on 
the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps 
this has been fixed in more recent releases?

We are currently running Solaris 10 08/2007.  At this point there 
wouldn't really be time to move up to the latest release, though we use 
UCE to patch the global up to date before we start building zones.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-20 Thread James Carlson
Joe Barbey writes:
 I would like to host a number of zones on a server, let's say an m4000, 
 but I want those zones to be on a different subnet than the global.  So 
 far, no problem: use exclusive-IP.  However, currently I don't have 
 enough NICs to give one each to all zones.

Use VLANs.  It'll work if you give each exclusive IP instance a
separate VLAN on an interface (or a small group of interfaces).

  One thought I had was a sort 
 of mix of shared-IP and exclusive-IP.  Give a couple of different zones 
 the same NIC in exclusive-IP mode.  I haven't tried it, but I'm fairly 
 certain this won't work, as each zone will try to control the NIC itself.

No, that won't work.  We discussed it during the development of the IP
Instances (exclusive stack) feature, but the project team considered
it to be too complex at least for the initial version.  Exclusive is
just that: exclusive of all other zones on the system.

 My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the 
 non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using 
 shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was on 
 the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps 
 this has been fixed in more recent releases?

As long as you have distinct destinations for the traffic, that can be
made to work with shared stack instances, but you're right that it's
always been a bit problematic.  It wasn't the design center for the
original Kevlar/Zones project: all zones were expected to go on a
common set of subnets.

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Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-20 Thread Nicolas Dorfsman

Le 20 oct. 08 à 16:58, Joe Barbey a écrit :

 I've got a situation that doesn't seem to be really covered in the
 various docs I've read up to now.  I have a number of servers where I
 want to do something like the following, if possible.  Any help  
 would be
 greatly appreciated.

It's not so unusual. But it's not correctly covered.

 My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the
 non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using
 shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was  
 on
 the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps
 this has been fixed in more recent releases?

The only answer today is exclusive-IP.  As James suggest, you may use  
VLANs if you switch is able to let you send tagged packet to it.

I didn't experience the new default route option in zone  
configuration...anyway it's only beginning with u5 and you're using u4.

Anyway, if you have multiple subnet used for you local zone, the best  
bet is is to use VLAN-tagging.  Default routers and circular use of  
them in the global zone become quickly a nightmare.


Nicolas
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[zones-discuss] Running Oracle Database inside Solaris 8/9 Container Using Sun Cluster

2008-10-20 Thread Eric Li
Dear All,

Our customers like to run existing Oracle database inside Solaris 8/9 
container using Sun Cluster. Please kindly advise if
- Is this configuration certified by Oracle?
- Will it be supported by Oracle?
- Will Sun Cluster support this? (Sun Cluster 3.2 02/08?)
- Any references?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best regards,
Eric
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Re: [zones-discuss] Running Oracle Database inside Solaris 8/9 Container Using Sun Cluster

2008-10-20 Thread Dr. Hung-Sheng Tsao (LaoTsao)



Eric Li wrote:

Dear All,

Our customers like to run existing Oracle database inside Solaris 8/9 
container using Sun Cluster. Please kindly advise if

- Is this configuration certified by Oracle?
  

not

- Will it be supported by Oracle?
  

not

- Will Sun Cluster support this? (Sun Cluster 3.2 02/08?)
  

ha-zone

- Any references?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best regards,
Eric
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Re: [zones-discuss] Running Oracle Database inside Solaris 8/9 Container Using Sun Cluster

2008-10-20 Thread Nicolas Dorfsman

Le 20 oct. 08 à 19:19, Eric Li a écrit :

 Our customers like to run existing Oracle database inside Solaris 8/9
 container using Sun Cluster. Please kindly advise if
 - Is this configuration certified by Oracle?
 - Will it be supported by Oracle?
 - Will Sun Cluster support this? (Sun Cluster 3.2 02/08?)
 - Any references?

One of my customer is using Oracle 9i in a s8 container.
No cluster.

You won't find any software/ISV certification for S8/9 container, IMHO.

Nicolas
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Re: [zones-discuss] Running Oracle Database inside Solaris 8/9 Container Using Sun Cluster

2008-10-20 Thread roush
Hi Dr. Hung-Sheng Tsao,

Sun Cluster supports today single machine Oracle Data Base running
inside a Solaris Container (also called a non-global zone),
where the zone is a native brand zone.

In the latest Sun Cluster Express release, Sun Cluster supports
a new feature called a Zone Cluster, which is a Virtual Cluster
where the virtual nodes are all non-global zones. We have run
Oracle RAC 9i, 10g, and 11g concurrently inside different
Zone Clusters on the same set of hardware. Our
Marketing team formally announces new features in the commercial
product. If you are interested in running Oracle RAC in
zones, please contact me and I will provide details on how
we will soon be supporting the ability to run Oracle RAC in zones.
Please note that I will be at a conference the rest of the week.
So I will respond next week upon my return.

If anyone else is interested in running RAC in zones,
please contact me.

Regards,
Ellard

Dr. Hung-Sheng Tsao (LaoTsao) wrote:
 
 
 Eric Li wrote:
 Dear All,

 Our customers like to run existing Oracle database inside Solaris 8/9 
 container using Sun Cluster. Please kindly advise if
 - Is this configuration certified by Oracle?
   
 not
 - Will it be supported by Oracle?
   
 not
 - Will Sun Cluster support this? (Sun Cluster 3.2 02/08?)
   
 ha-zone
 - Any references?

 Thank you in advance for your help.

 Best regards,
 Eric
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[zones-discuss] Questions regarding Solaris containers

2008-10-20 Thread Challa, Narsimha Reddy (STSD-HYD)
Hi,

I am new to Solaris containers. Can somebody please clarify the below questions:


1.  What are the supported versions of Solaris that support Containers 
concept? As per my search on this from Solaris 10 Update 4 or Update 5 
onwards containers are supported.  Am I right?

2.  Can raw disks be exported to Solaris containers from global zone? Using 
zonecfg command we tried exporting devices (disk partitions/SVM volumes) to 
containers. Once they have been exported we are unable to see those in the 
/dev/dsk directory of the non global zone.

Is there a known issue regarding this?

3.  Is there any concept of virtual HBA in Solaris Containers? Are external 
disks from the storage arrays presented directly to the Solaris container? Can 
multipathing software be configured on the Solaris container?

4.  Is Volume management (SVM and VxVM) supported inside Solaris containers 
today? Some of the old documents show that the volume management commands are 
accessible but are modified to display the below message. Is this still valid 
today?

VxVM command_xxx ERROR msg_id: Please execute this operation in global zone.

5.  Can somebody clarify me whether ZFS is supported for containers? Since 
ZFS has the concept of creating pool of devices first and on top of that file 
systems can be created. I would like to know what kind of support is there 
today for ZFS for Solaris containers?

6.  What cluster softwares (Ex: VCS, Solaris) are supported with Solaris 
Containers today?

7.  Can we get CPU and Memory utilization statistics used by a specific 
container (either from with in the container or from global zone)?

8.  What databases are supported today for Solaris containers? As per the 
bigadmin document db_in_containers, only non-RAC Oracle is supported by 
containers. Is this still valid today or is there support provided for Oracle 
RAC?

Is DB2 supported inside containers?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
-Narsimha

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