Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-12 Thread Richard Moon
I've enjoyed the contributions on this thread. Some time back I mentioned that what hooked me on Zope was the Relational Database access "out of the box". I liked the way Zope generated a simple database query form and result - so I agree strongly that Zope could hook more people if it did

[Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-12 Thread Spicklemire, Jerry
Richard Moon says: Zope offers the potential to be the perfect development environment with tons of really good solutions off the shelf - these can be customised if they have to, we can drop down to Python if we really need to. Perfect. Unfortunately its been difficult to get discussions like

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Ron yes +thanks for paying keen attention here.. What Manila has done is to provide some reasonable default templates for getting useful site development work done 'out of the box' - they have provided a structure template, and well defined access to changing the obvious things people

RE: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread Ron Bickers
What Manila has done is to provide some reasonable default templates for getting useful site development work done 'out of the box' - they have provided a structure template, and well defined access to changing the obvious things people want to change. I see. Having higher level drop-in

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread JTC Murphy
Oooh, now there's an interesting thought... One would like to - but there often aren't enough hours in the day. Actually one is frequently lucky to even get the option to try to pick something at all, never mind doing the research - some combination of "we've already got it" or "its "free" (it

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread albert boulanger
Exactly. My concern is to get the right kind of discussion going because it is going to need some differnt kinds of minds to work together. This meshes with my thinking recently. I think many in the Zope community are "early-adopters" kind of people -- willing to put up with spending

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Exactly. My concern is to get the right kind of discussion going because it is going to need some differnt kinds of minds to work together. This meshes with my thinking recently. I think many in the Zope community are "early-adopters" kind of people -- willing to put up with

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread J. Atwood
Sorry.. the second link should have been... http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/zope.html J From: J. Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:44:33 -0400 To: Jason Cunliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison Try http

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread J. Atwood
Try http://www.camworld.com/cms/ And more at http://www.camworld.com/misc/cms.html Cheers, J From: "Jason Cunliffe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:17:43 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison Hello

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread Bill Anderson
Jason Cunliffe wrote: Completely calm and friendly opinions follow... yes thanks.. I don't think it's any more difficult to create an attractive (graphics-wise) site in Zope than it is with PHP or ASP or plain old Apache-served HTML files. Quite honestly, I'm not qualified to do

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-11 Thread Bill Anderson
Jason Cunliffe wrote: Ron yes +thanks for paying keen attention here.. What Manila has done is to provide some reasonable default templates for getting useful site development work done 'out of the box' - they have provided a structure template, and well defined access to

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-10 Thread Nils Kassube
Jason Cunliffe wrote: What's missing? For example, everything with Java (e.g. Apple WebObjects) or Perl (e.g. Mason). There is a good overview of Content Management Systems at http://www.camworld.com/cms/ For each of above I'd like to fill in the following: {'name':"name",

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-10 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Hi Nils thanks for your reply What's missing? For example, everything with Java (e.g. Apple WebObjects) or Perl (e.g. Mason). [doh] Java..Right [see what using zope does to one ? ;-) There is a good overview of Content Management Systems at http://www.camworld.com/cms/ Excellent.

RE: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-10 Thread Ron Bickers
Completely calm and friendly opinions follow... [Zopefish etc]. Mostly Zope imho is just plain damn ugly out of the box... like some ghost from the 70s - zero graphics sense.. it s a bitch to make a decventlooking page in zope when it shouldn't be, not one nice looking zope site I have

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-10 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Completely calm and friendly opinions follow... yes thanks.. I don't think it's any more difficult to create an attractive (graphics-wise) site in Zope than it is with PHP or ASP or plain old Apache-served HTML files. Quite honestly, I'm not qualified to do it with any tool. :-) I get

[Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-09 Thread Jason Cunliffe
Hello I need to present the arguments for why we haev chosen Zope vs. Others. Does anyone know of a clear at-a-glance table or anything with the main contenders, features, price, licensing etc. Thanks - Jason Jason CUNLIFFE =

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-09 Thread Nils Kassube
Jason Cunliffe wrote: I need to present the arguments for why we haev chosen Zope vs. Others. Does anyone know of a clear at-a-glance table or anything with the main contenders, features, price, licensing etc. You didn't collect this data _before_ choosing Zope? :-) Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL

Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison

2000-09-09 Thread Jason Cunliffe
I need to present the arguments for why we haev chosen Zope vs. Others. Does anyone know of a clear at-a-glance table or anything with the main contenders, features, price, licensing etc. You didn't collect this data _before_ choosing Zope? :-) lol not really.. back then it seemed