Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:36, beno wrote: You're really not going to win any friends, or get any help, with this approach. Sometimes it's the only way to get past the arrogant belligerent list subscribers who choose to make miserable the lives of those of us who ask questions they consider stupid :) And it worked, didn't it? I think you are totally out of line. Both Andreas and Jens have contributed alot to the community, including being often the only ones to respond to mails on this list at all. Maybe you have a problem with their characters, but that's really your problem. They are both Germans and Germans tend to be direct and less socially soothing -- I am speaking out of experience. But that's just another part of Open Source Communities. You have to deal with mentalities and social behavior of people from all places on this planet. BTW, if you want really friendly help, pay someone to give it to you. ;-) Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. On this page (of a Zope product): http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ there is the instruction to send an email to this address: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? The list is called rejoice, the Web site in question is called rejoice.2012.vi and I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It didn't work. So I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. On that one, I didn't get a bounce but I didn't show up in the Properties::maillist, either, nor did I receive a welcome message :( Frankly, I find the tokens yourMailHost and yourDomain terribly unclear. TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
--On 23. August 2006 15:14:15 -0400 beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. Could someone kick this guy from the list? We don't need such idiots here. -aj pgpsVlJGGB3A1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
+---[ beno ]-- | I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas | Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no | useful information. | | On this page (of a Zope product): | http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ | there is the instruction to send an email to this address: | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? Please see: RFC 2821 RFC 2822 See Also: RFC 1855 -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really not going to win any friends, or get any help, with this approach. Sometimes it's the only way to get past the arrogant belligerent list subscribers who choose to make miserable the lives of those of us who ask questions they consider stupid :) And it worked, didn't it? Your question is a very basic. If you don't understand what the documentation is trying to describe you might want to read some intro-level mail-related documentation. The question appears simple. Maybe it is. Maybe, however, it only appears to be simple. I've been working in Zope for years, and have done a lot in email, actually. Additionally, when debugging it's always good to look at the appropriate logs and provide the relevant entries from those as well as error messages you received, as part of your question. A bounced message will, generally, tell you why - which can be enlightening. The mail logs on your system will provide other hints as to what's going wrong. Obviously there's an assumption that you have tried to resolve your problem based on the log/error information you've gotten. Of course. And I did that. Here's what I found: server167# grep [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/zope/instance2/log/Z2.log Nothing. Error Log (in Zope TTW interface) Nothing. Thank you for responding. Here is my question once again: On this page (of a Zope product): http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ there is the instruction to send an email to this address: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? The list is called rejoice, the Web site in question is called rejoice.2012.vi and I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It didn't work. So I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. On that one, I didn't get a bounce but I didn't show up in the Properties::maillist, either, nor did I receive a welcome message :( Frankly, I find the tokens yourMailHost and yourDomain terribly unclear. TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
At Wednesday 23/8/2006 16:14, beno wrote: I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. It's difficult when you not even know how an email address looks like... Try to get help from a knowledgeable person near you. Gabriel Genellina Softlab SRL __ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
+---[ beno ]-- | | Thank you for responding. Here is my question once again: Since you haven't worked out yet, I'll be explicit. Reposting your question over and over and over and over and over isn't going to get you any more responses. In fact it's more likely to piss off anyone who would be inclined to answer at all. Furthermore, the questions you're asking are; a) Not appropriate for this mailing list b) Should be addressed to the author of the product in question. If and when you have the product correctly configured, AND you get some indication from Zope that it is not functioning AND the author of said product indicates that it is a problem with Zope itself, ONLY THEN is this likely to be the correct forum for questions about a product. When you get to this stage, you will need to include the relevant errors from logs (in this case including MAIL LOGS) or otherwise. -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
--On 23. August 2006 16:42:06 -0300 Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Wednesday 23/8/2006 16:14, beno wrote: I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. It's difficult when you not even know how an email address looks like... Try to get help from a knowledgeable person near you. If you work several yrs with Zope (as stated by Beno), you should know how an email address looks like. That's ridiculous. -aj pgptZHEaWB2ho.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
--On 23. August 2006 15:36:16 -0400 beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really not going to win any friends, or get any help, with this approach. Sometimes it's the only way to get past the arrogant belligerent list subscribers who choose to make miserable the lives of those of us who ask questions they consider stupid :) And it worked, didn't it? When I look at the subject, yelling in uppercase lettersin the early 90s I learned at university that this is a clear misbehavior. I won't mention all the other violations of the good old well-known rules how to a mailinglist. Beno, you deserve the Millenium award for being the worst participant of this list ever. The triviality of your question, your unteachable manner...perhaps one last hint: don't use Zope, don't touch computers, Before posting again, first read a document like: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html -aj pgpscG0j0bj2l.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Aug 2006, at 21:18, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 23. August 2006 15:14:15 -0400 beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. Could someone kick this guy from the list? We don't need such idiots here. On other lists they call people like these trolls I think. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE7LKcRAx5nvEhZLIRAgbBAJ4xZlgWL5stJfNOZR2uuIFT/aDVoACfWAwf gfChiU7gOpW1ohR8wUbrMmE= =ez6S -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
+---[ Jens Vagelpohl ]-- | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | | On 23 Aug 2006, at 21:18, Andreas Jung wrote: | | Could someone kick this guy from the list? We don't need such | idiots here. | | On other lists they call people like these trolls I think. Trolls are people who post contraversial items for the sole purpose of eliciting responses. This guy just seems to think he's owed something from us. -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
--On 24. August 2006 05:59:46 +1000 Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +---[ Jens Vagelpohl ]-- | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | | On 23 Aug 2006, at 21:18, Andreas Jung wrote: | | Could someone kick this guy from the list? We don't need such | idiots here. | | On other lists they call people like these trolls I think. Trolls are people who post contraversial items for the sole purpose of eliciting responses. This guy just seems to think he's owed something from us. Trolls are persons that have the intelligence to know that they are posting trash. I doubt that in this particular case. -aj pgpDThqKqY9Zk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
Andrew Milton wrote: Trolls are people who post contraversial items for the sole purpose of eliciting responses. Yeah, that's me ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
beno wrote: I would appreciate anyone's response to this question EXCEPT Andreas Jung AND/OR Jens Vagenpohl, who respond, clogs things up, and provide no useful information. right numbnuts, you're not really getting the picture are you? Are you paying anyone on this list to help you? no? then stfu and do some hard graft work. That means actually READING the stuff people are pointing you to. If you're too stupid to understand the pointers you've been given then kindly go use some other web framework and abuse their mailing lists instead. Others have tried to be more polite than I, so you're now getting a pretty blunt explanation of how your posting habits are making people on this list feel... Feeling all victimised and singled out? Deal with it... No one else is feeling that way on here... *sigh* you still here? *sigh* Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ONE MORE TIME MAILBOXER!!!!!!!!
beno wrote: Sometimes it's the only way to get past the arrogant belligerent list subscribers who choose to make miserable the lives of those of us who ask questions they consider stupid :) And it worked, didn't it? Er, yeah, right, like you're going to understand any of the help you've been given... Arrogant? Little arrogant expecting the people on this list to bend over backwards to help you when you've done sweet f a to actually help anyone (including yourself) here... How about actually listening to the advice you've been given and using Mailman and Apache to solve the two problems you keep whining about? The question appears simple. Maybe it is. Maybe, however, it only appears to be simple. I've been working in Zope for years, and have done a lot in email, actually. You've been working with Zope for years? oh dear god... Thank you for responding. Here is my question once again: On this page (of a Zope product): http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ there is the instruction to send an email to this address: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? The list is called rejoice, the Web site in question is called rejoice.2012.vi and I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. It didn't work. So I tried this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. On that one, I didn't get a bounce but I didn't show up in the Properties::maillist, either, nor did I receive a welcome message :( Frankly, I find the tokens yourMailHost and yourDomain terribly unclear. Wow, like we didn't get it the first time. Hey! A Subject line with CAPS, I better drop all my work and tell my customers to get lost for the day 'cos I need to help you NOW, dammit... *sigh* Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
