Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
> FWIW, I don't know why Zope doesn't display anything useful in the > console anymore, and I don't even know whether that's unique to > Windows. Standard output is not a debug/error output. "runzope" both in Windows or Linux gives what you need. -- A powerfull GroupWare, CMS, CRM, ECM: CPS (Open Source & GPL). Opengroupware, SPIP, Plone, PhpBB, JetSpeed... are good: CPS is better. http://www.cps-project.org for downloads & documentation. Free hosting of CPS groupware: http://www.objectis.org. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
[Robert Conner] > Well color me purple, it does work. Good! How could anything on Windows fail to work ;-)? > I was just so used to seeing the "Zope Ready to handle Requests" > message that when it never appeared I just assumed it was not working > at all. I've broken Zope on my computer 100 times and always when its > broken it does not display "Zope Ready to handle Requests". I won't > make any more excuses for myself here, they don't help anything. Man, > I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Not a problem: if one person doesn't understand what they're seeing, then at least a hundred more won't understand it either, and it's very good to have a discussion about it archived on a public mailing list then. FWIW, I don't know why Zope doesn't display anything useful in the console anymore, and I don't even know whether that's unique to Windows. >> Or another way (something I'd never do in real life, but I guess some >> people do) > I always run Zope in the console. So do I, but there's difference: I open a DOS box and type "bin\runzope" myself. What I never do is use the Start menu "shortcut". A DOS box you open yourself stays visible even if Zope dies ungracefully, and after the first time you type "bin\runzope" you only have to hit two keys (up-arrow ENTER) to start it again. > The only reason I even use the Windows version is for development. As far as > I can > tell the fastest way for me to stop and restart Zope if to close down the > command > window and then start it back up again. When I develop, I restart Zope > all the freeking time, so the faster the restart, the better. Doesn't the ZMI have a "restart Zope" button? If you open your own DOS box, then a sloppy all-keyboard restart dance is "Ctrl+Break up-arrow ENTER", and a careful all-keyboard restart dance is "Ctrl+C up-arrow ENTER". The latter gives Zope a chance to close files gracefully, but by the same token it takes longer for Zope to shut down. "Ctrl+Break" kills the process instantly (and runs some risk of leaving data in I/O buffers without writing it to disk). ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
Well color me purple, it does work. I was just so used to seeing the "Zope Ready to handle Requests" message that when it never appeared I just assumed it was not working at all. I've broken Zope on my computer 100 times and always when its broken it does not display "Zope Ready to handle Requests". I won't make any more excuses for myself here, they don't help anything. Man, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. >Or another way (something I'd never do in real life, but I guess some people do) I always run Zope in the console. The only reason I even use the Windows version is for development. As far as I can tell the fastest way for me to stop and restart Zope if to close down the command window and then start it back up again. When I develop, I restart Zope all the freeking time, so the faster the restart, the better. Sorry, Rob Conner On 1/9/06, Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Robert Conner] > > Thanks for compiling that and setting up the windows installer. > > However, I don't believe it works. Sorry it took me so long to get > > back to you. I wanted to try installing this on a second computer > > before I wrote back. On both of them it > > What is "it"? Please spell out exactly what you did. The installer > was tested on Win XP Pro SP2 and worked fine there. I just downloaded > it again, and had no problems: > > - Ran the installer, and accepted all the defaults. > > - In particular, accepting all the defaults runs Zope as a Windows service, so > Zope starts automatically, and the installer brings up the > > Zope Windows Binary Post-Installation QuickStart > > page in a broswer. > > - I clicked on "Zope Management Interface" in that, and entered the admin > password I gave to the installer when it asked for one. > > - I was then logged in to the ZMI, in a running Zope 2.8.5. > > I have no idea what you did, because you really didn't say ;-) > > > starts the cmd window and displays the command called to run, > > Sorry, I'm not picturing what you did at all. Needs more words. > > > and then fails to finish the load up or start the server. Possibly it does > > work > > and both of my systems are configured wrong, but I couldn't get either > > install > > to run. > > So I'll try something else: > > - I stopped the Zope service (by using the Windows Services applet). > > - Opened a DOS box and cd'ed to the root of the instance home (\Zope-Instance, > the default created by the installer). > > - Typed "bin\runzope" and hit ENTER. This is exactly what was displayed in > the console then: > > C:\Zope-Instance>bin\runzope > > C:\Zope-Instance>"C:\Program Files\Zope-2.8.5-final\bin\python.exe" > "C:\Program Files\Zope-2.8.5-final\lib\python\Zope2\ > Startup\run.py" -C "C:\Zope-Instance\etc\zope.conf" > > There isn't more output, and more isn't expected. > > - Waited a while ;-), then opened a browser and typed > > http://localhost:8080/manage > > in the address bar. > > - Once again I was then logged in to the ZMI, in a running Zope 2.8.5. > > Or another way (something I'd never do in real life, but I guess some > people do): > > - Shut down Zope from the last try. > > - Clicked Start -> All Programs -> Zope 2.8.5-final -> Run Zope In Console > That "should be" the same as typing "bin\runzope" by hand as in the last > try, > and indeed it worked the same way. > > Did you try one of those ways? If so, which one? If not, what did > you try? If you tried the third way and the goofy little DOS box > "vanished", try the second way instead. You may get to see a relevant > error message then. Also look in your instance's var\log\event.log. > If you're running as a Windows service, look in the Windows > Application and System event logs too. One particular problem when > running as a service is that Windows Firewall will _not_ prompt you if > it blocks a socket started from a service. Instead the service hangs > or dies. > > > Also, Zope 2.9 is out, if you had planned to make a Windows binary for > > that also. > > At this point it's unclear what will happen for that. Zope 2.9 > switches from Python 2.3.5 to Python 2.4.2, and uses zpkgtools for the > first time to package the distribution. Consequences include that the > code used to build pre-2.9 Zope Windows installers can't work to build > one for 2.9 too. An unknown amount of new work is needed there, and > AFAICT nobody is working on it. > -- Robert Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www-student.cse.buffalo.edu/~rtconner ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
[Robert Conner] > Thanks for compiling that and setting up the windows installer. > However, I don't believe it works. Sorry it took me so long to get > back to you. I wanted to try installing this on a second computer > before I wrote back. On both of them it What is "it"? Please spell out exactly what you did. The installer was tested on Win XP Pro SP2 and worked fine there. I just downloaded it again, and had no problems: - Ran the installer, and accepted all the defaults. - In particular, accepting all the defaults runs Zope as a Windows service, so Zope starts automatically, and the installer brings up the Zope Windows Binary Post-Installation QuickStart page in a broswer. - I clicked on "Zope Management Interface" in that, and entered the admin password I gave to the installer when it asked for one. - I was then logged in to the ZMI, in a running Zope 2.8.5. I have no idea what you did, because you really didn't say ;-) > starts the cmd window and displays the command called to run, Sorry, I'm not picturing what you did at all. Needs more words. > and then fails to finish the load up or start the server. Possibly it does > work > and both of my systems are configured wrong, but I couldn't get either install > to run. So I'll try something else: - I stopped the Zope service (by using the Windows Services applet). - Opened a DOS box and cd'ed to the root of the instance home (\Zope-Instance, the default created by the installer). - Typed "bin\runzope" and hit ENTER. This is exactly what was displayed in the console then: C:\Zope-Instance>bin\runzope C:\Zope-Instance>"C:\Program Files\Zope-2.8.5-final\bin\python.exe" "C:\Program Files\Zope-2.8.5-final\lib\python\Zope2\ Startup\run.py" -C "C:\Zope-Instance\etc\zope.conf" There isn't more output, and more isn't expected. - Waited a while ;-), then opened a browser and typed http://localhost:8080/manage in the address bar. - Once again I was then logged in to the ZMI, in a running Zope 2.8.5. Or another way (something I'd never do in real life, but I guess some people do): - Shut down Zope from the last try. - Clicked Start -> All Programs -> Zope 2.8.5-final -> Run Zope In Console That "should be" the same as typing "bin\runzope" by hand as in the last try, and indeed it worked the same way. Did you try one of those ways? If so, which one? If not, what did you try? If you tried the third way and the goofy little DOS box "vanished", try the second way instead. You may get to see a relevant error message then. Also look in your instance's var\log\event.log. If you're running as a Windows service, look in the Windows Application and System event logs too. One particular problem when running as a service is that Windows Firewall will _not_ prompt you if it blocks a socket started from a service. Instead the service hangs or dies. > Also, Zope 2.9 is out, if you had planned to make a Windows binary for > that also. At this point it's unclear what will happen for that. Zope 2.9 switches from Python 2.3.5 to Python 2.4.2, and uses zpkgtools for the first time to package the distribution. Consequences include that the code used to build pre-2.9 Zope Windows installers can't work to build one for 2.9 too. An unknown amount of new work is needed there, and AFAICT nobody is working on it. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
Tim, Thanks for compiling that and setting up the windows installer. However, I don't believe it works. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I wanted to try installing this on a second computer before I wrote back. On both of them it starts the cmd window and displays the command called to run, and then fails to finish the load up or start the server. Possibly it does work and both of my systems are configured wrong, but I couldn't get either install to run. Also, Zope 2.9 is out, if you had planned to make a Windows binary for that also. -Rob Conner On 1/6/06, Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Tim Peters] > > ... > > I didn't even realize Andreas had released 2.8.5. I'll build a > > Windows installer for it (I already have everything needed to do that) > > and put it on the download page later today: > > > > http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.8.5 > > Zope-2.8.5-final-win32.exe is available from that page now. Enjoy! > -- Robert Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www-student.cse.buffalo.edu/~rtconner ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
Robert Conner wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install 2.8.5 on my windows machine. I do not have Visual C++ or .NET. Is there any way to compile are install Zope with any sort of free software available? Thanks, Rob Conner Robert, This is just an alternate solution ... I got Ubuntu Linux (recommended by some Zope listers (thanks!)) and it installed perfectly on my Dell Windows XPS the first time I tried it. I had it partion my primary drive and I can now boot either Windows and Ubuntu Linux. I then had the joy of compiling from source - (1 minute of joy spread over 3 days - but at least I didnt have to buy dinner). David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
[Tim Peters] > ... > I didn't even realize Andreas had released 2.8.5. I'll build a > Windows installer for it (I already have everything needed to do that) > and put it on the download page later today: > > http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.8.5 Zope-2.8.5-final-win32.exe is available from that page now. Enjoy! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
[Robert Conner] > Hi, I'm trying to install 2.8.5 on my windows machine. > > I do not have Visual C++ or .NET. Is there any way to compile are > install Zope with any sort of free software available? Probably not without major pain, and I don't know how to do it regardless. I didn't even realize Andreas had released 2.8.5. I'll build a Windows installer for it (I already have everything needed to do that) and put it on the download page later today: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.8.5 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope 2.8.5 install
Hi, I'm trying to install 2.8.5 on my windows machine. I do not have Visual C++ or .NET. Is there any way to compile are install Zope with any sort of free software available? Thanks, Rob Conner ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
