[Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Christopher Lozinski wrote: I think that there is a different tool for every job. Sometimes I think Plone is the best solution, sometimes Zope 2 is the best solution. Sometimes Zope 3is the best solution, and sometimes ZClasses are the best solution. Yes, you're right about different

[Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread Rocky Burt
On Thu, 2006-28-09 at 14:13 +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: The problem is the lack of an exit strategy. If you only need a simpel web app, fine. If you're creating a prototype, ZClasses are hard to get out of without rewriting a whole lot of code. In the words of The Pragmatic

[Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Philipp von weitershausen wrote: For these use cases it is not necessary to use a complex machinery like ZClasses. The objects we're talking about here could be very very dull, to the point where we don't need something like a dynamically constructed class. I appreciate all your comments.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread Jim Fulton
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christopher Lozinski wrote: I think that there is a different tool for every job. Sometimes I think Plone is the best solution, sometimes Zope 2 is the best solution. Sometimes Zope 3is the best solution, and sometimes ZClasses are the best solution. I

[Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread Christopher Lozinski
Jim Fulton asked Chris, have you tried ArchGenXML? I did do a project in Archetypes, in Plone. If I recall correctly, Archetypes requires CMF. And that is way too much code to add to my application. My workflow requirements are trivial. I think that Archetypes is quite brilliant at

[Zope-dev] Re: In Defense of ZClasses

2006-09-28 Thread whit
if zclasses(and some of the niceties that depended on them like ZPatterns) could reliably roundtrip to the filesystem, would we be having this conversation? I don't know...it seems like if you tackled the less sexy problem of making zclasses play with normal developer tool chain, the divide