Re: [Zope-dev] Conflict Errors; how to track them down?

2003-06-04 Thread Shane Hathaway
Bjorn Stabell wrote: In any case, is there no way to find out more detailed information about why a conflict happened? There must be some oids somewhere? I don't know of a way. In a conflict, the transaction gets aborted, so the only data left is the log entry. Shane

Re: [Zope-dev] Conflict Errors; how to track them down?

2003-06-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Bjorn Stabell wrote at 2003-6-3 11:08 +0800: Except for SARS, another problem that's been plagueing us for months are seemingly random Conflict Errors. We see about 10 every day on our Zope 2.6.1, and they can happen on any page. In most cases they are not related to pages that actually

Re: [Zope-dev] Bad reference to ... how to find object references?

2003-06-04 Thread Dieter Maurer
Bjorn Stabell wrote at 2003-6-3 11:04 +0800: During packing, we're seing errors such as the ones attached below. Can someone give a description how to track down which objects have these broken references? Such help would be much appreciated... Maybe the fsrefs.py script. A short time

[Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Winkler
To anyone not following the Problem committing zope 'version' objects thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's been proposed that Versions should be at least stamped in the ZMI with big warnings, or possibly disabled altogether. Numerous users have been bit by the fact that versions basically do not

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Guido van Rossum
To anyone not following the Problem committing zope 'version' objects thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's been proposed that Versions should be at least stamped in the ZMI with big warnings, or possibly disabled altogether. Numerous users have been bit by the fact that versions basically do

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Andy McKay
IMO versions do nothing except complexify the code. I believe it's an official Zope Corp position to discourage them for new projects. Yet Jeremy Hylton seems to think that they are somehow useful and has carefully preserved them in ZODB 4 (== Zope 3). If it were up to me, they would have

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Anthony Baxter
Guido van Rossum wrote IMO versions do nothing except complexify the code. I believe it's an official Zope Corp position to discourage them for new projects. Yet Jeremy Hylton seems to think that they are somehow useful and has carefully preserved them in ZODB 4 (== Zope 3). If it were up

Re: [Zope-dev] Conflict Errors; how to track them down?

2003-06-04 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: The attached patch to Zope/App/startup.py provides this additional information. Where's the patch? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Winkler wrote: Comments? They really should die. They cause nothing but pain and suffering. Could we get at least some warnings in the ZMI before 2.6.2 final? I do hope so. I'd also like to see them becoming an explicit configuration option in 2.7 and not appear in any UI's unless they

Re: [Zope-dev] Conflict Errors; how to track them down?

2003-06-04 Thread Jamie Heilman
Chris Withers wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: The attached patch to Zope/App/startup.py provides this additional information. Where's the patch? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=zope-devm=105466926610469q=p3 -- Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/ I was in

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Lennart Regebro
Paul Winkler wrote: To anyone not following the Problem committing zope 'version' objects thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's been proposed that Versions should be at least stamped in the ZMI with big warnings, or possibly disabled altogether. Numerous users have been bit by the fact that

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Paul Winkler wrote: To anyone not following the Problem committing zope 'version' objects thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's been proposed that Versions should be at least stamped in the ZMI with big warnings, or possibly disabled altogether. Numerous users have been bit by the fact that

Re: [Zope-dev] Versions: should they die?

2003-06-04 Thread Guido van Rossum
Perhaps Jeremy could run through his reasons for wanting them to stay around again? That's not necessary. They could stay in ZODB (certainly cutting them out of ZODB3 now would be more work than leaving them in) but be disabled in ZMI. --Guido van Rossum (home page: