[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
--On 4. Februar 2007 19:24:09 -0500 Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Anyone else should think about how to deal with this issue...I'm too
much biased :-)
- -1 on reformatting code, especially if we are talking about putting it
in 'repos/main/Products.{AdvancedQuery,ManageableIndex}': the win there
is to have it *possible* for somebody elxe to submit patches, link the
product in via 'svn:externals', etc., without making it harder for
Dieter to maintain.
The basic question for me is: should *any* code checked in on svn.zope.org
follow the basic code styles like the 4 space rule or only code of the core
component used for building releases? I think we have no law written down
for this problem?!
We all have a legitimate interest to see most of Dieters code in a public
repository in order to use it properly for buildouts or for deploying it to
sites. Someone of you might be interested to convince Dieter being more
flexible and less meticulous.
$ python -c "import this" | grep purity
+1 on this but this applies always to both sides :-)
Andreas
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[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
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Andreas Jung wrote:
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> --On 4. Februar 2007 18:12:52 +0100 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-2-3 08:47 +0100:
>>> ...
* my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank
(to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me)
>>> The source would have to be reformatted to fit at least in some way
>>> with the Zope standard :-) Any volunteers?
>> If the code is reformatted, a new maintainer is necessary as well :-)
>
>
> Anyone else should think about how to deal with this issue...I'm too much
> biased :-)
- -1 on reformatting code, especially if we are talking about putting it
in 'repos/main/Products.{AdvancedQuery,ManageableIndex}': the win there
is to have it *possible* for somebody elxe to submit patches, link the
product in via 'svn:externals', etc., without making it harder for
Dieter to maintain.
$ python -c "import this" | grep purity
Tres.
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[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-2-4 18:35 +0100: > ... >I >think we can leave everything as it is and if Plone needs it in an svn >repo, heck, why not do vendor imports? (not in svn.zope.org, of course, >since the contributor agreement forbids that) One of the rare cases when I agree with Philipp: Let us keep things as they are. When Zope 2 is eggified (promissed for Zope 2.11), I will make the products available as eggs. People interested in a change history or in their own local changes can always put the products into a version control system. By the way, I heard about very few issues concerning these products, maybe 3 to 5, in their lifetime. Thus, I do not see why you (Plone people) want local changes. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-2-4 18:35 +0100: > >Monkey patches should be avoided when they can. I think that's something >we don't need to discuss. You think this way but I disagree... There are (potentially) dangerous monkey patches and harmless ones. We discuss about a harmless one: adding a new method when extended functionality is available. The monkey patch to CMFCore.CatalogTool.CatalogTool is necessary to ensure that "CatalogTool" searching (via "evalAdvancedQuery") behaves as usual for this tool (i.e. take View permission and validaty range into account). >Integrating a product into Zope is the perfect >opportunity to get rid of monkey patches and consolidate the fixes into >the main product lines. Therefore, the CMF should rather grow that >method itself than having it patched in by Zope. Only in case of a tight integration, i.e. when "ZCatalog" and "CMFCore.CatalogTool" can take for granted that "AdvancedQuery" is available. As I understand you, you are against tight integration of "AdvancedQuery". Even if tight integration should be opted for, I will fight for backward compatibility: the monkey patch will stay until both ZCatalog and the CMF have grown the new methods. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How to recover passwords in Zope 2.6.4
Rohit Arora wrote at 2007-2-2 10:01 -0800: > ... >i have my website in zope 2.6.4 and i have forgotton UserId(admin) and >Password of root direcrorty of zope. >please tell me Is there any way to recover admin password ? or is there any >default UID & password provided in zope. Search for "Zope emergency user". -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Paul Winkler wrote at 2007-2-3 11:34 -0500: > ... >> * my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank >> (to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me) > >are you saying you would refuse the donation if somebody else wanted >to change it to 4 spaces? Not, if he takes over the maintenance of the code as well. Code that I do not maintain need not comply with my personal style preferences -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
--On 4. Februar 2007 18:44:38 +0100 Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --On 4. Februar 2007 18:39:22 +0100 Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 18:27, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been mentioned before, you have to contact Jim. No one outside of ZC is allowed to perform administration tasks that require root access on the box. Oh. Since we have volunteers (like you :)), I wonder why the keys can't be turned over to the foundation by now? Can somebody from the board explain what the hold-up is and what we need to do open access to well established members of the community like Jens? ZC company policy has changed, it used to be lenient, it no longer is. My take on it right now is this: If I'm required to beg anyone at ZC or chase people at ZC down myself to make this happen I am un-volunteering. I care, but not that much anymore. I'm willing to help, but I won't jump through arbitrary hoops in order to do so. No reason more to enfore the handover of the remaining responsibilities from ZC to the Zope Foundation. We should discuss that on the foundation list. Should be "One more reason" Andreas pgpTMwc3Sda0W.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
--On 4. Februar 2007 18:39:22 +0100 Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 18:27, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been mentioned before, you have to contact Jim. No one outside of ZC is allowed to perform administration tasks that require root access on the box. Oh. Since we have volunteers (like you :)), I wonder why the keys can't be turned over to the foundation by now? Can somebody from the board explain what the hold-up is and what we need to do open access to well established members of the community like Jens? ZC company policy has changed, it used to be lenient, it no longer is. My take on it right now is this: If I'm required to beg anyone at ZC or chase people at ZC down myself to make this happen I am un-volunteering. I care, but not that much anymore. I'm willing to help, but I won't jump through arbitrary hoops in order to do so. No reason more to enfore the handover of the remaining responsibilities from ZC to the Zope Foundation. We should discuss that on the foundation list. Andreas pgp4UfRwsENOU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 18:27, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been mentioned before, you have to contact Jim. No one outside of ZC is allowed to perform administration tasks that require root access on the box. Oh. Since we have volunteers (like you :)), I wonder why the keys can't be turned over to the foundation by now? Can somebody from the board explain what the hold-up is and what we need to do open access to well established members of the community like Jens? ZC company policy has changed, it used to be lenient, it no longer is. My take on it right now is this: If I'm required to beg anyone at ZC or chase people at ZC down myself to make this happen I am un- volunteering. I care, but not that much anymore. I'm willing to help, but I won't jump through arbitrary hoops in order to do so. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFxhpKRAx5nvEhZLIRAnCHAJ46Fs6+nsJB7tnPxVKDCptYqXCabACcDuXU LvR2lIpVfZqN/7REHFGDzj0= =nMg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Dieter Maurer wrote: yuppie wrote at 2007-2-3 11:44 +0100: ... Unfortunately integrating a product into the Zope core means more than just adjusting the coding style: - As already mentioned in this thread, monkey patches and code like fixPluginIndexes.py have to be resolved. AdvancedQuery contains a monkey patch for CMF - that should not be shipped with Zope core. "fixPluginIndexes" fixed (maybe meanwhile resolved) bugs in "Products.PluginIndexes.common.util.parseIndexRequest". The mentioned CMF monkey patch gives the "CatalogTool" the new method "evalAdvancedQuery", provided CMFCore is installed. I do not see why this monkey patch should not be applied. I am sure that I want to be able to use "AdvancedQuery" even with a "CatalogTool", if both are installed. Monkey patches should be avoided when they can. I think that's something we don't need to discuss. Integrating a product into Zope is the perfect opportunity to get rid of monkey patches and consolidate the fixes into the main product lines. Therefore, the CMF should rather grow that method itself than having it patched in by Zope. Either way, I think this point is mute since all the Plone community really wants is a public subversion repository with access to the code and "control over the code", which I would think is asking for a lot (you've indicated that reformatting the code would mean you wouldn't be available for maintenance anymore). Whoever is asking for AdvancedQuery and other things to be in svn.zope.org or even Zope 2 itself ought to weigh the amount of maintenance work against the little potential (not actual!) benefits. I think we can leave everything as it is and if Plone needs it in an svn repo, heck, why not do vendor imports? (not in svn.zope.org, of course, since the contributor agreement forbids that) -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training Next Zope 3 training at Camp5: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 4 Feb 2007, at 12:47, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'm not quite sure it has to be part of Zope 2 as you install it. Having it in svn.zope.org would go a long, way, though, allowing us to use svn:externals during development and potentially fix issues ourselves as appropriate. Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been mentioned before, you have to contact Jim. No one outside of ZC is allowed to perform administration tasks that require root access on the box. Oh. Since we have volunteers (like you :)), I wonder why the keys can't be turned over to the foundation by now? Can somebody from the board explain what the hold-up is and what we need to do open access to well established members of the community like Jens? -- http://worldcookery.com -- Professional Zope documentation and training Next Zope 3 training at Camp5: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
yuppie wrote at 2007-2-3 11:44 +0100: > ... >Unfortunately integrating a product into the Zope core means more than >just adjusting the coding style: > >- As already mentioned in this thread, monkey patches and code like >fixPluginIndexes.py have to be resolved. AdvancedQuery contains a monkey >patch for CMF - that should not be shipped with Zope core. "fixPluginIndexes" fixed (maybe meanwhile resolved) bugs in "Products.PluginIndexes.common.util.parseIndexRequest". The mentioned CMF monkey patch gives the "CatalogTool" the new method "evalAdvancedQuery", provided CMFCore is installed. I do not see why this monkey patch should not be applied. I am sure that I want to be able to use "AdvancedQuery" even with a "CatalogTool", if both are installed. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
--On 4. Februar 2007 18:12:52 +0100 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-2-3 08:47 +0100: ... * my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank (to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me) The source would have to be reformatted to fit at least in some way with the Zope standard :-) Any volunteers? If the code is reformatted, a new maintainer is necessary as well :-) Anyone else should think about how to deal with this issue...I'm too much biased :-) Andreas pgpgLzbTn1K4y.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-2-3 08:47 +0100: > ... >> * my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank >> (to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me) > >The source would have to be reformatted to fit at least in some way >with the Zope standard :-) Any volunteers? If the code is reformatted, a new maintainer is necessary as well :-) -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 12:47, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'm not quite sure it has to be part of Zope 2 as you install it. Having it in svn.zope.org would go a long, way, though, allowing us to use svn:externals during development and potentially fix issues ourselves as appropriate. Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been mentioned before, you have to contact Jim. No one outside of ZC is allowed to perform administration tasks that require root access on the box. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFxg2bRAx5nvEhZLIRAgsbAJ0fqkNK+ICKywSGSL72+8PmhD3/FQCgp9m8 zp6dPA3z2z1JYEX7heUuDco= =lHPM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How to map Zope with IIS 5.1
Rohit Arora wrote: i have a website in zope 2.6.4 , and i want to link that website with IIS 5.1. These questions belong on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, not this this. in other words, i have created a virtual directory in IIS and i want to redirect the request to zope website. Stick Apache in front of both, much easier and more reliable... Very Urgent http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#urgent cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: ploneenv - Or how using workingenv for a common Zope2 project might look like ;-)
Martin Aspeli wrote: > Ian Bicking wrote: >> If you use the easy_install script in the workingenv bin/, then you >> don't have to activate the environment. Very similar to buildout, >> workingenv scripts contain their path/environment. > > Right, thanks for pointing that out. I should also mention that, with ploneenv[1], you can run bin/runzope or bin/zopectl without having to activate the workingenv first. Daniel [1] http://danielnouri.org/blog/devel/zope/ploneenv-intro.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Sat Feb 3 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Sun Feb 4 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 7 messages: 7 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.6 Python-2.1.3 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:05:04 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007181.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.6 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:06:34 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007182.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:08:04 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007183.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.8 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:09:34 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007184.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.9 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:11:04 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007185.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:12:34 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007186.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Sat Feb 3 21:14:04 EST 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2007-February/007187.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in "AdvancedQuery" and/or "ManagableIndex"?
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote:
> Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> >Dieter Maurer wrote:
> >>Whit ("mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]") reported that "AdvancedQuery"
> >>is going to ship with Plone3 and that packaging would be easier for them
> >>if
> >>"AdvancedQuery" were part of the Zope 2 distribution.
> >
> >I fail to find an explanation *why* that is.
>
> I'm not quite sure it has to be part of Zope 2 as you install it. Having
> it in svn.zope.org would go a long, way, though, allowing us to use
> svn:externals during development and potentially fix issues ourselves as
> appropriate.
Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is
currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a
lot of us very happy.
Wichert.
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