[Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
It´s very nice to hear that you take care of the windows builds. It would be nice to get an little description how to build an WZope, which tools are needed. So we can take a look how difficult it is to build an WZope. My windows zope configuration would be c:\zope\version\instance some applications use tinytables which is not supported in new zope versions. So my solution is in thinking of versions, not in instances. I dont like the program folder (in germany called Programme) because on an Windows Server there is not so much services on the computer - so an exclusive c:\zope is the best ;) I dont need an service installer but i know many windows administrators that would ask me - why did this product doesnt run as service stupid open source software or somethink like that ... i like the zope window on the desktop, nice debugging ;) greetings many thanks for taking care of the windows builds, christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Hi Christian(s)! I know most people dislike Program Files. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications. As bad as it is, I too don't like Documents and Settings\username, but that's the closest we have from $HOME. As noted, you have the choice at install time to change the default directory if you wish. We are just presenting the user with 'sane defaults'. -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Christian(s)! I know most people dislike Program Files. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications. It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory. As bad as it is, I too don't like Documents and Settings\username, but that's the closest we have from $HOME. Please god no. Again, from the above examples, Notes stores its data in C:\Notes\data and IIS in C:\inetpub\wwwroot, I think that's ample precedent for C:\Zope\instancex... As noted, you have the choice at install time to change the default directory if you wish. We are just presenting the user with 'sane defaults'. They're not sane, even by Microsoft's judgement ;-) Some more questions: - what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation? - what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) ) Many thanks for your work on this, though! cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
On 11/10/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Christian(s)! I know most people dislike Program Files. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications. It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory. Just as a note, those are pretty 'Advanced' applications. OTOH, Zope is too. So I buy your argument. What's your proposal for default Installation and Instance directories? Some more questions: - what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation? Good question. I just copied that over from the old installer. I will remove it, it doesn't seem to do anything useful. - what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) ) Yeah, my guess is that someone will do at least some quick QA before uploading it. So yes, manual would be preferred. Many thanks for your work on this, though! Thanks for helping me in the process! -- Sidnei da Silva Enfold Systemshttp://enfoldsystems.com Fax +1 832 201 8856 Office +1 713 942 2377 Ext 214 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Just as a note, those are pretty 'Advanced' applications. OTOH, Zope is too. So I buy your argument. Yay :-) What's your proposal for default Installation and Instance directories? I borrowed Guido's time machine an answered this already in another message ;-) - what's the difference between a Full and Compact installation? Good question. I just copied that over from the old installer. I will remove it, it doesn't seem to do anything useful. Cool :-) - what's the process going to be to get these releases onto zope.org? (I'm quite happy to do this manually if needed ;-) ) Yeah, my guess is that someone will do at least some quick QA before uploading it. So yes, manual would be preferred. I volunteer for doing that, although that's like just meaning downloading, installing and starting using it when I'm poked to do so as I guess your buildbot already runs all the tests? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Previously Chris Withers wrote: Sidnei da Silva wrote: Hi Christian(s)! I know most people dislike Program Files. I do too! But it's the closest we have to a 'standard' place for installing applications. It's not the 'standard'. To name a few examples, all of Python, Lotus Notes and, perhaps most tellingly, IIS and Microsoft's other server offerings, don't install themselves in Program Files, they create their own top level directory. For their data, not for their binaries libraries. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Wichert Akkerman wrote: For their data, not for their binaries libraries. Actually no, all of their data, binaries and libraries live in their own top level directories... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Installer for Windows (quick question)
Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'm going to be building the installer for Windows I would like to quickly ask if anyone expects multiple Zope installs to live side-by-side. The existing installer atempted that but I don't believe it was very successful. I would like to know if anyone has multiple Zope installations on Windows side-by-side and if they consider that important. Yes and yes. Same as Martin Aspeli's reasons: testing on multiple plone versions. I think the main thing is to be sure that the installation doesn't add any zope specific folders to PythonPath in the registry. The Plone installation for example adds (or added) some folders to PythonPath which meant that multiple plones using the same major python version would try to share parts of the Plone installation. Not adding folders to the pythonpath registry key allows coexistence, and there are more than enough ways to add folders to pythonpath without using the registry. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
