Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-05 Thread Christian Theune
On 03/04/2010 11:35 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote: A thought that came up when reading this paragraph: another option restructuring/grouping to reduce the amount of packages may be to join smaller packages with weird

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-05 Thread Christian Theune
On 03/04/2010 04:13 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing the whole. I suppose

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-05 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, On 03/04/2010 10:44 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Weird. Tres' mail didn't make it into gmane ... I'll fold my replies to Jim and Tres into this one mail. (Looks like I'm now turning into the one making noise here. I'm already

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-05 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Theune wrote: On 03/04/2010 04:13 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Baiju M
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing the whole. I suppose everybody here agrees that any change to a

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
Hello, * 2010-03-04 09:22, Baiju M wrote: I wonder whether we can split ztk.cfg zopeapp.cfg further logically ? Something like zca.cfg , index.cfg, form.cfg, auth.cfg etc. ? May be we will end up with one cfg file for each package :) I don't think we need to split the cfg files: IMHO what

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote: A thought that came up when reading this paragraph: another option restructuring/grouping to reduce the amount of packages may be to join smaller packages with weird boundaries into larger ones again. (Not that I suggest

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Adam GROSZER
Hello, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:43:44 PM, you wrote: JF Others, like me and Martijn and probably many many others, see the ZTK JF as a set of packages that can be used in various subsets and JF combination. We want as few dependencies as possible. We also want a JF configuration of

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote: A thought that came up when reading this paragraph: another option restructuring/grouping to reduce the amount of packages may be to join smaller

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing the whole. I suppose everybody here agrees that any change to a

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote: A thought that came up when reading this paragraph: another option

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Benji York
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Sutherland br...@vanguardistas.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: In the specific case of zope.event, I'd prefer it stay separate.  I want developers to be able to publish events without having to commit to a

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 11:19:52AM -0500, Benji York wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Sutherland br...@vanguardistas.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: In the specific case of zope.event, I'd prefer it stay separate.  I want developers to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Brian Sutherland
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 11:19:52AM -0500, Benji York wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Sutherland br...@vanguardistas.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: In the specific case of zope.event, I'd prefer it stay separate.  I want developers to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Benji York
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Brian Sutherland br...@vanguardistas.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 11:19:52AM -0500, Benji York wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Sutherland br...@vanguardistas.net wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:09:26AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: In the

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Jim Fulton
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-04 Thread Alan Runyan
One thing that makes problems like this really hard is that email is such a terrible tool for much of the needed communication. It would be nice if we could do something more sprinty. I don't want to help if it involves drawn out email discussions, but, FWIW, I'd be willing to allocate some

[Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 20:41, Chris McDonough wrote: Why wouldn't that be worked out here?  Is it because you just want the mechanics of such a project done elsewhere without having to see it talked about on this maillist?  Or is

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-03 Thread Christian Theune
On 03/03/2010 09:43 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote: * 2010-03-03 20:41, Chris McDonough wrote: Why wouldn't that be worked out here? Is it because you just want the mechanics of such a project done elsewhere without having to

Re: [Zope-dev] Uses of the ZTK and how it relates to management

2010-03-03 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from people working on parts without testing the whole. I suppose everybody here agrees that any change to a package which is part of the ZTK *must* be tested against the whole ZTK. It