[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-04 Thread Max M
Rocky Burt wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word "zope" anywhere in their name. If it says "zope" people will *always* assume it is for use only with/ins

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-04 Thread Rocky Burt
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: > Benji York wrote: > > If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, > > they should not have the word "zope" anywhere in their name. If it says > > "zope" people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-03 Thread Max M
Benji York wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Good point. There's the question: Does this "zed" thing need a different name at all? If we want other people to pick it up, then it seems like a good idea to distinguish it from Zope-the-app-server. Paul seems to suggest that in his response.

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:05 -, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't see how *saying* what Zope 5 will contain will make it *exist* any time sooner. These sound like useful evolution proposals for Zope 2 and Zope 3 to me... The current story of Zope 2, Five and Zope 3 ge

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] In this vision, the Zope 3 project should stay where it is and push things forward. That doesn't mean Five should be ignored by Zope 3 developers, but it should be compartmentalized in people's minds. Zope 3 does innovation, Five does integration, and then the big codeba

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/28/06, Tres Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the other major point is the "door #2" proposal takes pressure > off of Zope3: under that regime, Zope3 does not need to grow all the > features present in Zope2, which door #1 *does* imply. I still would like to know wich these missin

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: > Max M wrote: > >> Jim Fulton wrote: >> >>> 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. >> >> >> >> Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. >> >> The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for dev

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: 1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually replace Zope 2 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. As you probably know already, I am -1 on the second proposal, since it will disallow us to finally get r

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 28. Februar 2006 16:06:55 +0100 Philipp von Weitershausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think focusing on one app server and a dedicated set of libraries would be a good alternative to two concurring app servers. +1 -aj pgpe9Th17c7O9.pgp Description: PGP signature

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers. Therefore I believe that any succesfull strategy would require Zope 3 to be usable c

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-27 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Max M wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote: > >> 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. > > Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. Layers are good, when they reliably hide complexity. > The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers. Yep. 14'30'' wikis and su

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-27 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Max M said the following on 2006-02-27 17:26: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. read the full sentence that Jim wrote: > 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. > ... > > N