Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-24 Thread Ignas Mikalajunas
>  > > Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in
>  > > there as Zope 3.4.0.
>  >
>  > The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  Do you mean "the set of
>  > packages frozen at this moment in time"?
>
>  No, when we do a release, I provide frozen versions of the KGS. See:
>
>  http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/intro.html
>
> Regards,
> Stephan

Hi, I'd just like to use the oportunity and point out a few small
problems with packages in the current KGS...

I understand that zope.app.traversing is deprecated, but still - i
think it should depend on zope.traversing (it does not have any
dependencies at the moment), because else just installing
zope.app.traversing will give you import errors not deprecation
warnings.

z3c.breadcrumb-1.0.2
z3c.formjs-0.3.0
z3c.form-1.8.0
z3c.formui-1.4.1

have http://download.zope.org/distribution in their dependency links,
which I think is not a very good idea.

zope.server 3.4 does not have a proper entry point for wsgi server
defined, so PPA has zope.server 3.5

Other than that everything seems to be working fine. Thanks for all
the work you did on KGS, it really helped us to get our zope3
dependencies packaged in a usable state for ubuntu ...

If someone will want to release a Zope3 based application on ubuntu -
schooltool-common and schooltool-2008 are probably the packages that
should be looked at to find out how to get a paste based server using
an entry point defined in your egg.

Ignas
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-24 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 23 April 2008, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> > Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in
> > there as Zope 3.4.0.
>
> The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  Do you mean "the set of
> packages frozen at this moment in time"?

No, when we do a release, I provide frozen versions of the KGS. See:

http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/intro.html

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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles

Marius Gedminas a écrit :

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:48:45PM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote:

Marius Gedminas a écrit :

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote:

On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote:

I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS.
Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in 
there as Zope 3.4.0.
The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  
Normally this list should not change at all, and corresponds to the last 
released 3.4 version, aka RC, or did I miss something?


Only requests on IRC/mailing list to please update package zope.foo to
version x.y.z+1 in the KGS, because of an important bugfix.  I assume
changes like this will happen occasionally.

I'm happy to call the KGS "the latest released 3.4" version, but in my
mind that is different from "3.4.0".  I imagine there will be a 3.4.1
that matches the state of the KGS at some future point in time?


http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg


I see this more like using an SVN checkout of the 3.4 branch, as opposed
to the 3.4.0 tag.  You get a stable version, but it may change over
time.


That means that the minor version of zope has no meaning but for the tarball 
version.


- The KGS version is always called "3.4" and always contains the latest 
bugfixes. There is no 3.4.X
- The tarball version is released from time to time, when the number of upgraded 
packages worth it. This one is called 3.4.X


That also means that :
- The 3.4 KGS is actually already released without having to release it!
- the current RC tarball can be released now as 3.4.0 with current eggs
- the bugfixes can be pushed to the KGS the day after

This would allow all the bugfixes to be available as soon as they are released, 
and not to have to wait for 3.4.1.


Christophe



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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 09:48:45PM +0200, Christophe Combelles wrote:
> Marius Gedminas a écrit :
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote:
 I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
 a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
 on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS.
>>> Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in 
>>> there as Zope 3.4.0.
>> The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  
>
> Normally this list should not change at all, and corresponds to the last 
> released 3.4 version, aka RC, or did I miss something?

Only requests on IRC/mailing list to please update package zope.foo to
version x.y.z+1 in the KGS, because of an important bugfix.  I assume
changes like this will happen occasionally.

I'm happy to call the KGS "the latest released 3.4" version, but in my
mind that is different from "3.4.0".  I imagine there will be a 3.4.1
that matches the state of the KGS at some future point in time?

> http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg

I see this more like using an SVN checkout of the 3.4 branch, as opposed
to the 3.4.0 tag.  You get a stable version, but it may change over
time.

Just-trying-to-understand-the-system-ly,
Marius Gedminas
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christophe Combelles

Marius Gedminas a écrit :

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote:

On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote:

I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS.
Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in 
there as Zope 3.4.0.


The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  


Normally this list should not change at all, and corresponds to the last 
released 3.4 version, aka RC, or did I miss something?

http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg



Do you mean "the set of
packages frozen at this moment in time"?

Marius Gedminas




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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:36:09AM -0700, Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote:
> > I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
> > a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
> > on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS.
> 
> Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in 
> there as Zope 3.4.0.

The KGS changes from time to time, doesn't it?  Do you mean "the set of
packages frozen at this moment in time"?

Marius Gedminas
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Brian Sutherland wrote:
> I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
> a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
> on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS.

Okay, so I think we should use the KGS and declare the set of packages in 
there as Zope 3.4.0.

Regards,
Stephan
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4 available as packages based on setuptools tarballs

2008-04-23 Thread Christian Theune
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:58:28AM +0200, Brian Sutherland wrote:
> I'd like to announce that the SchoolTool project has finished packaging
> a large proportion of the Zope 3 stack as separate Debian packages based
> on the setuptools tarballs from the KGS. 
> 
> The current development version of schooltool runs against this stack
> which includes most Zope 3.4 packages and ZODB 3.8.  Many thanks to
> Ignas Mikalajunas did most of the work in preparing and testing the many
> separate packages in the zope namespace.

Although I don't use that: Awesome! :)

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