Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Withers
Gary Poster wrote: >> Where's the visual diff? >> Where's the interactive log of revisions? >> Where's the repository browser? > > FWIW, I don't know if TortoiseBzr has this. I'd be surprised if it > didn't have these, especially the first two. TortoiseSVN's log is now *very* interactive. I'd

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN. Which is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-) Fair enough that bzr didn't take your fancy, but FWIW, did you try TortoiseBzr? That has received love relat

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Gary Poster wrote: > >> Sadly, I suspect none of the tools are as advanced as TortoiseSVN. Which >> is a real shame :-( Perforce maybe? ;-) > > Fair enough that bzr didn't take your fancy, but FWIW, did you try > TortoiseBzr? That has received love relatively recently. I'm looking at this: ht

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 6, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > Martijn Pieters wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman >> wrote: Note that we are now up to svn 1.6. >>> Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from >>> upgrading >>> to the 1.5 client, and thus from u

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >>> Note that we are now up to svn 1.6. >> Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from upgrading >> to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative paths. > > Bugger, that is indeed cor

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:53, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> Note that we are now up to svn 1.6. > > Which still does not fix this, and is preventing people from upgrading > to the 1.5 client, and thus from using checkouts using relative paths. Bugger, that is indeed correct. I may not have any probl

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martijn Pieters wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers wrote: > > Just beware, 1.5 sucks: > > > > http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019 > > http://thread.gmane.org/g

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:39, Chris Withers wrote: > I'm more worried about the lack of merging working and random errors > when adding files. Those are pretty serious failures from where I'm > sitting... The merging is due to lack of merging info when branching, the 'random errors' are not rando

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Pieters wrote: > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers wrote: >> Just beware, 1.5 sucks: >> >> http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019 >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.versio

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:32, Chris Withers wrote: > Just beware, 1.5 sucks: > > http://subversion.tigris.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3242 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/84308/focus=84019 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.user/8734

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Laurence Rowe
2009/4/6 Chris Withers : > Laurence Rowe wrote: >>> >>> Previously Marius Gedminas wrote: BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH.  Am I lucky? >>> >>> Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience. >> >> An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Dieter Maurer wrote: >> Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different >> access protocols is hampered by "svn:external" as they were (still >> are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal). >> >> This way, the access protocol may change in betw

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Withers
Laurence Rowe wrote: >> Previously Marius Gedminas wrote: >>> BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH. Am I lucky? >> Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience. > > An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in very handy. ssh -D > gives you a socks pro

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 17:48, Marius Gedminas wrote: > This is a very good point I'd forgotten about.  However, currently the > existing svn:externals all point to read-only svn:// URLs, and switching > them to http:// would not change anything substantially. Nope, but switching then to https://

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:10:10AM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Marius Gedminas wrote at 2009-4-3 01:34 +0300: > >On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > >> So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment: > >> > >> - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I fi

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Dieter Maurer wrote: > Unless newer SVN versions improved on this: using different > access protocols is hampered by "svn:external" as they were (still > are?) required to be absolute urls (including the protocal). > > This way, the access protocol may change in between of a checkout > (involving

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-05 Thread Dieter Maurer
Marius Gedminas wrote at 2009-4-3 01:34 +0300: >On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: >> So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment: >> >> - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying >> (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, et

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-04 Thread Lennart Regebro
My 2 cents: I like svn over https. It works reliably, and is easy to use, and externals work as expected, etcs. So I'm +1 on allowing https access. That said, svn+ssh tunnels svn over ssh, and if you are in a place where ssh doesn't work, you need to find the network admit and punch him in the f

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-04 Thread Laurence Rowe
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Marius Gedminas wrote: >> BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH. Am I lucky? > > Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience. An ssh server running on port 443 (HTTPS) can come in very handy. ssh -D gives you a socks proxy,

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Marius Gedminas wrote: > BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH. Am I lucky? Yes. Blocking ssh is very common in larger companies in me experience. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: >> Sure, I don't mind. It sits behind an ADSL line with puny uplink (512 >> Kbit/s), but I don't think that will be a problem. > > Nothing against your generous offer but I think that trac belongs as > a central service on the central repository server. +1, although if we wer

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Chris Withers
Marius Gedminas wrote: > The story may be different for Windows users (as usual). > > +0.5 for alternatively accepting authenticated https access (I'm not the > admin, so it doesn't cost me, but I'm also not going to use it) > > BTW I've yet to see a firewall that blocks SSH. Am I lucky? Yup.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.04.2009 17:22 Uhr, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 03:04:47PM +0200, Martijn Pieters wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton wrote: >>> Should we all just use that? > > (that being http://zope3.pov.lt/trac) > > Sure

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 03:04:47PM +0200, Martijn Pieters wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton wrote: > > Should we all just use that? (that being http://zope3.pov.lt/trac) Sure, I don't mind. It sits behind an ADSL line with puny uplink (512 Kbit/s), but I don't think that will be

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 14:41, Jim Fulton wrote: > Should we all just use that? It's running trac 0.10. I'd love to see trac 0.11, which has additional features that I miss every time I use a 0.10 trac instance, such as the annotate view. Also, I'd include the subversion location plugin, which in

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: > >> - the web front end is ancient and not as good as other options >> (Trac, >> WebSVN) > > +1 for having trac as a subversion browser. > > In fact, see http://zope3.pov.lt/trac > > The svn repository mirror used by that trac instance is updat

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Gary Poster wrote: > >> I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made >> addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's >> offer >> to host the code and c

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: > I'd like to report back on the progress that Bzr/Launchpad has made > addressing concerns we heard since I last brought up Canonical's offer > to host the code and contribute commercial support for the transition. > > When I

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Gary Poster
On Apr 2, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Hey All, ... > The other option would be to follow Python and move to Mercurial, but > that has the same problems for me as with Bzr (no decent gui tools, > less > mature, etc) although it's a toolset I'll have to learn at some point > anyway

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 07:31:00PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment: > > - it uses the bizarre svn or svn+ssh protocols, which I find annoying > (ports blocked on routers, can't check with a browser, etc) +10 for continuing to support svn+ssh, it's the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: > > I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository > providing read access via "http". Shame none of them is advertised anywhere... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jacob Holm wrote at 2009-4-2 20:44 +0200: > ... >For write access I completely agree. For read-only unauthenticated >access it would be nice to be able to use http(s). It may be possible to >have it all at the same time. I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository providin

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: > I would not like to enter my password every time I call "svn". > If this can be arranged, I am content. It can, and with svn 1.6 it's even secure :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk _

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 19:44 +0100: > ... >I prefer using password-protected (as opposed to key-protected) https. >What do other people prefer? I am fine with the "ssh" access. True, the initial setup was a bit difficult (the key program did not like the "." in "d.maurer" -- but forgot t

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: >> For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http >> basic auth for access with more people having access to update the >> passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. > > > I absolute

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Chris Withers wrote: >> This involves storing a key in plane text in my home directory, >> which is terrible. > > How do you not have the same thing with ssh? ssh keys are pass-phrase protected and ssh-agent allows me to enter the pass phrase once in a session. Ji

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 20:39 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: >> For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http >> basic auth for access with more people having access to update the >> passwd file

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jacob Holm
Jim Fulton wrote: > On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > >> For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http >> basic auth for access with more people having access to update the >> passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. >> > > > I

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http > basic auth for access with more people having access to update the > passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. I absolutely *hate* using https to access