Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-07 Thread Jake
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 09:45 +, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Benji York wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? Fun presentation along those lines: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov I

Re: Movies, audiences, wasted effort, was Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Winkler wrote: [snip] I'm hoping to see a similarly interactive, yet long-term-sane, working style evolve for in zope 3. Maybe we'll get there with Persisent Modules and fssync. This is an issue that's important to me, and to Jim. We had a discussion about all of this in various

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-06 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Benji York wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? Fun presentation along those lines: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov One of the best put together movies I've seen. Yeah, really awesome! Should have won the Oscar! ;) Another

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-06 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 09:45 +, Stefane Fermigier wrote: Benji York wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? Fun presentation along those lines: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov I saw that last week from some internal folks at my

Movies, audiences, wasted effort, was Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-06 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 04:04:48PM -0500, Benji York wrote: Geoff Davis wrote: * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? Fun presentation along those lines: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov One of the best put together movies I've seen. Really interesting

Re: Movies, audiences, wasted effort, was Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-06 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 05:13:57PM -0700, Jeff Shell wrote: On 3/6/06, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A similar app could've been written pretty quickly in Zope 3 by writing a schema and using browser:addform, browser:editform, and browser:schemadisplay. It would be interesting to

[Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Geoff Davis
Jeff Shell has posted some thought-provoking pieces on his blog that are relevant to Jim's recent attempt to better articulate a vision for Zope: http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2006/03/zope-crisis-of-faith-coming-this-march.html

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 3/5/06, Geoff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Shell has posted some thought-provoking pieces on his blog that are relevant to Jim's recent attempt to better articulate a vision for Zope: http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2006/03/zope-crisis-of-faith-coming-this-march.html

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Geoff Davis wrote: ... * Can we address Jeff's concerns? If so, how? * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? I think that one of the first steps is to agree on who our target audiences are and target them individually. Zope has a number of target audences, including: -

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Stephan Richter
On Sunday 05 March 2006 10:22, Jim Fulton wrote: My main point is that we need to consider each of these audiences, as they have separate concerns.  We need to be explicit about this and have messages and technical solutions tailored to each audience. I agree with that. Our first step is to

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 3/5/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that one of the first steps is to agree on who our target audiences are and target them individually. Zope has a number of target audences, including: - Non-technical users who just want to crank our a web application with little

Re: [Zope3-dev] The vision thing

2006-03-05 Thread Benji York
Geoff Davis wrote: * What can we learn from Rails / Django / TurboGears? Fun presentation along those lines: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov One of the best put together movies I've seen. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation