[Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-11 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:39:52 -, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: things. Extreme example: In Plone the core Plone product is called CMFPlone. It pisses Alexander off. Should we rename it 'Plone' and thus break every product that ever imported from CMFPlone? Should we make a jungle

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/11/06, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two types of deprecation, though - one is deprecating specific packages or methods or classes. Another is deprecating fundamental patterns and ways of working. Am I supposed to use ZCML for this or Python? Well, a while ago, it was

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-11 Thread Chris McDonough
On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: I'm told that the ZODB is the de-facto way of storing content. Maybe soon the default may be a filesystem. Mmm... My feelings are that there should be a classic Zope 3 release which is exactly what exists now (it should make the assumption

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-11 Thread Shane Hathaway
Martin Aspeli wrote: Now I'm told that the ZODB is the de-facto way of storing content. Maybe soon the default may be a filesystem. Mmm... Whatever we do with the filesystem, it's not going to be as ambitious as Ape. Ape makes the filesystem appear as an object database, but that turns

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-11 Thread Laurence Rowe
I really like this idea. I spend most of my time developing applications with Plone, and am just starting to use zope 3. Most of what I spend my time on is site customisation and one off development. But I've never really found a nice way to layout my applications, Product (or more standard

[Zope3-dev] tal:define=... considered harmful?

2006-02-11 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Hi! I've being working on integrating Balazs Ree's CTAL interpreter recently (added tests, fixes, etc.). CTAL is the equivalent of TAL but for javascript. For the record MochiKit also has something equivalent called MochiTAL that supports tal:content and tal:repeat. Anyway, CTAL implements

[Zope3-dev] Pluggins vs Application Definition

2006-02-11 Thread Jim Fulton
Some recent discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list have helped me to understand some issues related to the ways we extend the Zope application server. Traditionally, in Zope 2, you extended Zope by dropping product packages into a special Products package. This was very convenient in

[Zope3-dev] Re: Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-11 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm serving static content like Apache, I'm interpreting file types like Apache and I'm using .htaccess files like Apache. But I'm using Zope. Why am I not just using Apache? Would I be learning this beast

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-11 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:56:23 -, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wade Leftwich wrote: +1 from the standpoint of promoting corporate adoption, especially when combined with first-class citizenship for RDBMS. (In the corporation I work for, anyway.) Yes, RDBMS would become a

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope 3 web root

2006-02-11 Thread Rob Jeschofnik
Shane Hathaway wrote: Zope is a feast with many kinds of food. When people come to the feast, most are not willing to try everything at once, particularly the entrees from the land of OODBMS. First let them have some familiar foods. When they find out how finely prepared the food is,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Pluggins vs Application Definition

2006-02-11 Thread Rob Jeschofnik
Jim Fulton wrote: In summary, I think we need *both* approaches, as they serve different needs. I'd have to agree... so +1 .. but I'd suggest that the application/plugin should have a way of defining which ways it can (or prefers, if it can't be enforced) to be included, so it is clear that

[Zope3-dev] Re: Zope 3 web root

2006-02-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Shane Hathaway wrote: Any thoughts or gut reactions? For the record, my gut reaction: Very interesting idea! I think there are two parts to the rationale here: 1) Making it easy to quickly prototype an app on the filesystem using methods that people are familiar with. You mention that above.

[Zope3-dev] Re: Who would use this crazy thing called Zope 3?

2006-02-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris McDonough wrote: I'm told that the ZODB is the de-facto way of storing content. Maybe soon the default may be a filesystem. Mmm... My feelings are that there should be a classic Zope 3 release which is exactly what exists now (it should make the assumption that ZODB is present

[Zope3-dev] Re: Pluggins vs Application Definition

2006-02-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: Some recent discussions on the distutils-sig mailing list have helped me to understand some issues related to the ways we extend the Zope application server. Traditionally, in Zope 2, you extended Zope by dropping product packages into a special Products package. This was

[Zope3-dev] Re: Selecting a code name

2006-02-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: Just to drop a note that I think a discussion about a potential brand name for Zope 3 is far less important than actually fixing our website and presenting Zope 3 (and Zope 2 for that matter) in a better way. Perhaps we can better redirect our energies to that than to

[Zope3-dev] Re: Nine new ZC Zope 3 packages

2006-02-11 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Martijn Faassen wrote: With a package in the 'zope' namespace, what am I supposed to do when I install it? Symlink it into lib/python of my Zope 3 software home? For the record: no. You can simply have multiple directories for a namespace package when you use 'pkgutil'. See

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Selecting a code name

2006-02-11 Thread Gary Poster
On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [...] Indeed. Plus, I strongly feel that pushing Zope 3 more than Zope 2 or viceversa isn't helping. We need to push Zope-the-technology and Zope-the-community. Branding Zope 3 and making it look like something separate now when

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Selecting a code name

2006-02-11 Thread Shane Hathaway
Gary Poster wrote: On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [...] Indeed. Plus, I strongly feel that pushing Zope 3 more than Zope 2 or viceversa isn't helping. We need to push Zope-the-technology and Zope-the-community. Branding Zope 3 and making it look like something