Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
On Thursday 09 February 2006 12:03, Chris Cogdon wrote: That is really strange. I cannot find the SQL-based auth plugin either anymore. I know it exists; I was at the sprint it was written, I still have the picture in front of me. Darn, Well, it certainly exists, because I installed one :) http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3-Packages No, those are only the SQL adapters not the authentication plugin for SQL. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
Hi Chris, I think the others already gave you the typical answers for the rest of your mail. On 2/9/06, Chris Cogdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my question is... should I stick with Zope 2 for the moment (with its plethora of documentation), or dive right into Zope 3 and battle it out (and depend more on the community for any lack of documentation)? Concerning documentation I would say Zope 3 can make concurrence to most open source projects out there. The books (I only own Stephan's nice book) available are potentially slightly out of date but are good ways to start. The extensive use of automated unit tests through documentation strings are also an awesome way of learning the detail. I do feel the kilos of documentation are somehow unluckily organized. Somehow the entrance point for Zope3 newcomers is difficult to find. I sometimes feel that a true overview, of what is available and what Zope3 is made out of, is missing. My instinct tells me it is not all and other things could help an smoother entrance in the Zope3 world but I am not sure what. Of course the fact that zope3 does not have a proper web site on its own is a horror too and probably the main cause of what I described above.. but I will not go into details since zope3-users are discussing this in length every day :) Regards Ben. ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
On Feb 9, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 08 February 2006 18:18, Gary Poster wrote: This time I want to use something more 'mainstream' so other developers on the project have something 'familiar' to work with, or at least something that will be useful to learn. The application will need to connect to a PostgreSQL database, and would like some simple authentication plugins so end-users of the application can create accounts, log in, and have data restricted based on logins. Nothing much more fancy than that. Sounds like a good Zope 3 app. The authentication stuff should be custom plugins for zope.app.authentication. I don't remember where the DBA for PostgreSQL is, but it's in the svn.zope.com repository someplace (and others can point it out). That is really strange. I cannot find the SQL-based auth plugin either anymore. I know it exists; I was at the sprint it was written, I still have the picture in front of me. Darn, Well, it certainly exists, because I installed one :) http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3-Packages -- (`-/)_.-'``-._Chris Cogdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . `; -._)-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ fL ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
[Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
Hi folks! I'm starting work on a from-scratch web application, and I'd like to use this as a first-time-application using Zope. (Actually, this is not really the first time... but my previous was something really simple way back in the Zope 1 days, so... just pretend this is first-time). I'm trying to get started quickly (of course), and want to do it reading as much documentation as possible, without depending on you fine folk too much for help. From my research it seems that there's a bunch of documentation and tutorials geared around Zope 2, but not anywhere near as much for Zope 3, and Zope 3 seems a vastly different beast than '2'. So, my question is... should I stick with Zope 2 for the moment (with its plethora of documentation), or dive right into Zope 3 and battle it out (and depend more on the community for any lack of documentation)? In particular, I DO want a decent tutorial to work through to get me started (and I cant find one of any depth at all for Zope 3). Or... can I use the Zope 2 tutorials to work through Zope 3 ?? My background: I'm a seasoned python developer, and have written my own web-frameworks for various applications. This time I want to use something more 'mainstream' so other developers on the project have something 'familiar' to work with, or at least something that will be useful to learn. The application will need to connect to a PostgreSQL database, and would like some simple authentication plugins so end-users of the application can create accounts, log in, and have data restricted based on logins. Nothing much more fancy than that. Thanks kindly for your consideration! -- (`-/)_.-'``-._Chris Cogdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . `; -._)-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ fL ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Chris Cogdon wrote: Hi folks! I'm starting work on a from-scratch web application, and I'd like to use this as a first-time-application using Zope. (Actually, this is not really the first time... but my previous was something really simple way back in the Zope 1 days, so... just pretend this is first-time). I'm trying to get started quickly (of course), and want to do it reading as much documentation as possible, without depending on you fine folk too much for help. From my research it seems that there's a bunch of documentation and tutorials geared around Zope 2, but not anywhere near as much for Zope 3, and Zope 3 seems a vastly different beast than '2'. Yes, it is. So, my question is... should I stick with Zope 2 for the moment (with its plethora of documentation), or dive right into Zope 3 and battle it out (and depend more on the community for any lack of documentation)? In particular, I DO want a decent tutorial to work through to get me started (and I cant find one of any depth at all for Zope 3). Jim's tutorial is a very good start. Philipp's book is a bit out of date but still generally very valuable and would probably be your next stop. Stephan's book is usually recommended for working after Philipp. Or... can I use the Zope 2 tutorials to work through Zope 3 ?? Nope. They share the ZODB, and basic object publishing concepts. Recently, Zope 2 has begun integrating Zope 3 technologies, but it's still more like Zope 3 knowledge can be back-ported to parts of Zope 2, but not vice versa, much. My background: I'm a seasoned python developer, and have written my own web-frameworks for various applications. Sounds like you are a Zope 3 candidate then. If you want through-the- web development, Zope 2 is what you want (ATM, at least); if you want more standard python development, Zope 3 is what you want. This time I want to use something more 'mainstream' so other developers on the project have something 'familiar' to work with, or at least something that will be useful to learn. The application will need to connect to a PostgreSQL database, and would like some simple authentication plugins so end-users of the application can create accounts, log in, and have data restricted based on logins. Nothing much more fancy than that. Sounds like a good Zope 3 app. The authentication stuff should be custom plugins for zope.app.authentication. I don't remember where the DBA for PostgreSQL is, but it's in the svn.zope.com repository someplace (and others can point it out). Gary ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
On 2/9/06, Chris Cogdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get started quickly (of course), and want to do it reading as much documentation as possible, without depending on you fine folk too much for help. From my research it seems that there's a bunch of documentation and tutorials geared around Zope 2, but not anywhere near as much for Zope 3, and Zope 3 seems a vastly different beast than '2'. Right. So, my question is... should I stick with Zope 2 for the moment (with its plethora of documentation), or dive right into Zope 3 and battle it out (and depend more on the community for any lack of documentation)? In particular, I DO want a decent tutorial to work through to get me started (and I cant find one of any depth at all for Zope 3). Quick answer: If you need a product that runs on Zope 2, like for example CPS, Plone or Silva, you should use Zope 2. Otherwise you should use Zope3. Longer answer: http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2005_10_04_zope2-vs-zope3-faq I'd guess you'd be more happy with Zope3. It's much more Pythonic. Or... can I use the Zope 2 tutorials to work through Zope 3 ?? Nope. ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] New User: Zope 2, or Zope 3?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, there are two books, one from Philipp von Weitershausen, the other from Stephan Richter. You may have a look at http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ProgrammerTutorial http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage/Zope3Book http://www.benjiyork.com/quick_start/ Egon Chris Cogdon schrieb am 09.02.2006 00:05: Hi folks! I'm starting work on a from-scratch web application, and I'd like to use this as a first-time-application using Zope. (Actually, this is not really the first time... but my previous was something really simple way back in the Zope 1 days, so... just pretend this is first-time). I'm trying to get started quickly (of course), and want to do it reading as much documentation as possible, without depending on you fine folk too much for help. From my research it seems that there's a bunch of documentation and tutorials geared around Zope 2, but not anywhere near as much for Zope 3, and Zope 3 seems a vastly different beast than '2'. So, my question is... should I stick with Zope 2 for the moment (with its plethora of documentation), or dive right into Zope 3 and battle it out (and depend more on the community for any lack of documentation)? In particular, I DO want a decent tutorial to work through to get me started (and I cant find one of any depth at all for Zope 3). Or... can I use the Zope 2 tutorials to work through Zope 3 ?? My background: I'm a seasoned python developer, and have written my own web-frameworks for various applications. This time I want to use something more 'mainstream' so other developers on the project have something 'familiar' to work with, or at least something that will be useful to learn. The application will need to connect to a PostgreSQL database, and would like some simple authentication plugins so end-users of the application can create accounts, log in, and have data restricted based on logins. Nothing much more fancy than that. Thanks kindly for your consideration! - -- Egon Frerich, Freudenbergstr. 16, 28213 Bremen E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPT 2.7.2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD6n96uTzybIiyjvURAoL0AJ9YlEpls4B9LN5dF+sAyy7Vl6vQHwCglMWZ OexMbN9tRKBEXoKNNCAo79Q= =Xkkc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
