Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-29 Thread albert boulanger
One query about your plans for PTK. In my opinion it would be good to incorporate into it, at some level, capability like Microsoft's Digital Dashboard -- you know like mynetscape.com edit capabilities. (Actually the use of dynamic html in Excite's version of the same thing is nicer.) I would th

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-29 Thread Tres Seaver
Dennis Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 11/28/00 11:34 AM, albert boulanger wrote: > >From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Ah. Well, my opinion is that it'd be fairly dangerous > > > to make the assertion that (as great as they both are) > > > Zope and the Zope co

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-29 Thread Simon Coles
>A clarification here. It refers to Digital Creations being a long term >viable business entity. When we made "The Zope Decision", one of the attractions of the Zope/DC relationship is that whilst it is obviously very nice for everyone if DC continues to exist, and continues with their current

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Dennis Nichols
At 11/28/00 11:34 AM, albert boulanger wrote: >From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ah. Well, my opinion is that it'd be fairly dangerous to make the > assertion > > that (as great as they both are) Zope and the Zope community can "make up > > for" the other half of the capi

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread J. Atwood
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-11-08 That should give you a good idea... My guess is that there are probably 1-2,000 active developers with more like 500 very active (building products, submitting bugs, betas and code). You should, however, be careful with these numbers b/c som

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread albert boulanger
I agree. DC and Zope are connected but if DC were to fold tomorrow (and trust me they are no where near folding) Zope would live on. There are thousands of active developers out there that would take it and run with it if DC decided not to. There are websites and structures to

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Chris McDonough
> A clarification here. It refers to Digital Creations being a long term > viable business entity. Ohhh... ;-) Well, nothing beyond the general open-source mantra marketing and the stuff that's on digicool.com will convince them of what they don't want to believe. It's interesting that the

[Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Spicklemire, Jerry
Albert said: > Our client thought that the recent VC money was about 1/2 what would > be needed to make it fly. My argument is that money is leveraged by > the active Zope community so a crux in my logic is how strong this > community is. The "1/2" the capital needed" part is a puzzling assumpti

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread J. Atwood
>I am reading between the lines here. I think that the original poster >has an argument inside his company. He wants to use Zope, and some >office droid did financial research and concluded that Zope was >undercapitalized. > >I think there are two questions to be posed here: > >1) Does Zope, in

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread albert boulanger
From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Prod

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread jpenny
> >Ah. Well, my opinion is that it'd be fairly dangerous to make the > assertion > >that (as great as they both are) Zope and the Zope community can "make > up > >for" the other half of the capital they need to develop the software > they > >want. So what's the decision they're t

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Chris McDonough
>Ah. Well, my opinion is that it'd be fairly dangerous to make the assertion >that (as great as they both are) Zope and the Zope community can "make up >for" the other half of the capital they need to develop the software they >want. So what's the decision they're trying to make?

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread albert boulanger
From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.30

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Chris McDonough
>> Our client thought that the recent VC money was about 1/2 what would >> be needed to make it fly. My argument is that money is leveraged by >> the active Zope community so a crux in my logic is how strong this >> community is. > >1/2 of what would be needed to make it fly wi

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread ghaley
> My argument is that money is leveraged by the active Zope community so > a crux in my logic is how strong this community is. > > Other support? > Hi Albert. I'm not sure about the first part of the question, so i'll go to the second query. Our company uses zope

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread albert boulanger
: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope > > I am going through a justification (risks) of the use of Zope for a > corporate client. Framing things as an Open Source play relies on the > health of its community for its longevit

Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread Chris McDonough
- Original Message - From: "albert boulanger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope > > I am going through a justification (risks) of the use of Zope for a > corp

[Zope] Factoids for supporting zope

2000-11-28 Thread albert boulanger
I am going through a justification (risks) of the use of Zope for a corporate client. Framing things as an Open Source play relies on the health of its community for its longevity and access to expertise for support. I remember some number tossed out when the Members folder at zope.org went to Bt