Re: [Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-11 Thread Chris Withers
Hi Nick, Nick Davis wrote: BTW Both Chris and I come from the UK where complaining about things is a national sport so please no-one take offence. ;-) Nah, the Plone stuff is beyond mere national past time. The excruciating agony it's caused me on a fairly regular basis for a number of year

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-10 Thread Nick Davis
Rob, Tres, Thanks a lot for your helpful responses. I take Tres's point of the difficulty of making templates that work for the different interests of designers and programmers, and that migration headaches are often a consequence of this. Hadn't thought of it like that before. Also its goo

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-07 Thread Rob Miller
Nick Davis wrote: Hello Some thoughts : - Upgrading to Zope 2.8 without reading the release notes. I followed the release notes but this didn't fix catalog errors. I am not the only one. This is apparently fixed in Zope 2.8.2 but that doesn't look like it can be downloaded yet. in some ca

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nick Davis wrote: >>> - Third party products that are not yet fully compatible >>> with Plone 2.1 and/or Zope 2.8. > > Should this perhaps be the other way around? If those products used the > APIs correctly, perhaps a new release of Zope/Plone s

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-07 Thread Nick Davis
Hello Some thoughts : - Upgrading to Zope 2.8 without reading the release notes. I followed the release notes but this didn't fix catalog errors. I am not the only one. This is apparently fixed in Zope 2.8.2 but that doesn't look like it can be downloaded yet. - Third party products that ar

Re: [Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-07 Thread Chris Withers
Rob Miller wrote: this strikes me as a bit unfair. to quote stefan holek from a post on plone-dev earlier today, most reported migration problems are due to: - Upgrading to Zope 2.8 without reading the release notes. *shrugs* I've not had need to read he release notes yet, what am I missing?

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-06 Thread Rob Miller
Chris Withers wrote: Nick Davis wrote: there seem to still be migration problems and broken products which prevent people going to 2.1 yet. Yup. this strikes me as a bit unfair. to quote stefan holek from a post on plone-dev earlier today, most reported migration problems are due to:

Re: [Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-06 Thread Chris Withers
Hi Nick, Nick Davis wrote: I agree that 2+ years should have produced maturity. Zope seems to be a lot more stable than Plone. Well, Zope has had about 10 years to stabilise, versus Plone's 2 ;-) Maybe the reason people focus on your Plone talk is you touch a chord with people who too

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-05 Thread Nick Davis
Chris I agree that 2+ years should have produced maturity. Zope seems to be a lot more stable than Plone. Maybe the reason people focus on your Plone talk is you touch a chord with people who too are wrestling with Plone. Probably at least once a week the thought crosses our minds of d

Re: [Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-04 Thread Chris Withers
Nick Davis wrote: Thanks for posting this, Chris. Very interesting. I would've liked to have been at the conferences where you gave these. ;-) With bricks or beer? ;-) I think you make some good points. thanks! My main gripe with Plone is its such a moving target. Hopefully as it matures

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-04 Thread Nick Davis
Thanks for posting this, Chris. Very interesting. I would've liked to have been at the conferences where you gave these. ;-) I think you make some good points. My main gripe with Plone is its such a moving target. Hopefully as it matures this will get better. _

[Zope] Re: Presentations Available

2005-10-04 Thread Duncan Booth
David H wrote: > I saw that in a few google hits but ... I figured that if a fair > population wants to view the presentations then the files should be in a > universal format - like pdf or rtf. > Its an interesting question: how many people who just wish to peruse > the files will feel compe