> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Andrew Smith wrote:
>
>> > Still looking for the README with any relevant statement.
>>
>> Well, your right there, it's called "RELEASE-NOTES" and to
>
> RELEASE-NOTES != README
> File-on-install-CD != Local-Documentation
>
Yeah - difficult to sort that one out
OK 2.5 hours anyway :*p
>> > none of *MY* boxen have ever been rooted. Or used as a spam relay.
>> >
>>
>> Ah, but do you know for sure? :-)
>> It's a bit like saying "my software has no bugs"
>> I would actually suggest that you have not idea
>> how often people try to port scan or hack into
>> your servers.
>> You statement certainly suggests that.
>
> No, my statements suggest careful setup, security and monitoring. No, I
> can't be 100% positive - nobody can. But a cracker who doesn't screw up
> my box, doesn't alter system files or configurations, doesn't appear in
> (or trash) my logs, and doesn't get people sending me nastygrams is a
> lot more welcome on my box, and less destructive, than most of the
> owners of said boxen.
> Your suggestion, that I don't have a clue, is just repetitive,
> inaccurate, and tiresome.
>
No, your statement was "none of *MY* boxen have ever been rooted"
when of course they may have been but you can never be sure.
Someone may have got in and done nothing as yet.
Hmmm - hang on ...
You know all the external security flaws in RedHat 7.1.
and already track/secure their exploitation.
Cool - tell the rest of the world so they get fixed.
>> The problem is not that you are familiar with sendmail,
>> but that when something changed, you decided that it
>> shouldn't change unless they documented the change in
>> a specific manner you required (hmmm well RELEASE-NOTES
>> wasn't good enough)
>
> Well, yeah. Most distributions document the changes made to third-party
> software in a ChangeLog or a README.<distro>, that's located with that
> software's documentation. On the local disk.
>
>> Then you didn't even find the comments in the sendmail.mc
>> That suggests either you don't know what you are doing
>> or you didn't bother to look in the most important file
>> that defines and controls how sendmail works in RedHat 7.1
>
> That's patently wrong. You don't even NEED a sendmail.mc on the system.
> Not in RH 7.1 or any other OS. sendmail.mc doesn't control sendmail at
> all.
>
The RedHat 7.1 distro creates the full sendmail.cf from
the sendmail.mc using "make" in the /etc/mail directory.
Now if you prefer to bypass this configuration, then I
guess that explains why it took you so long to work out
why your sendmail didn't accept anything but localhost
connections.
With RedHat 7.1 and sendmail the first place you look is
/etc/mail/sendmail.mc
No arguments, that's where you look first.
That file tells you what it includes and what the basic
configuration is for sendmail.
>>>>>> Well, duh. So in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, very well buried
>>>>>> in the middle of a nest of comments at the end of the file:
Yes if you don't think it is necessary, feel free to go
edit /etc/sendmail.cf (but I guess you will then wonder
why your changes get lost if you ever force a remake in
/etc/mail)
And of course (as I have said before) I didn't know this
until I looked into how sendmail was setup.
But that IS the way it is setup on RedHat 7.1
>> So if I want to have a ? in my filename I
>> HAVE to escape that with a \? since bash
>> matches both "ab?cd" and "abxcd" with the
>> pattern "ab?cd"
>
> No, a good unix admin just wouldn't use metacharacters in his
> filenames.
>
These are IMAP mail file folder names.
Are you really saying that I should tell everyone
on my mail servers "Don't put spaces or "?" in
any of your IMAP mail folder files if you want
to use procmail?"
Come on - don't suggest stupidy
You obviously have some very strange idea of what
a good unix admin is.
Someone who bypasses the specific distro configuration
then complains that it took 2.5 hours to find the actual
file that configures that distro then says that isn't
the file that matters? ... sigh
Again: /etc/mail/sendmail.mc is the main config file
for sendmail on RedHat 7.1
It includes all other files and configuration to then
generate /etc/sendmail.cf
That sorta sounds like it should be the FIRST place to
look for configuration in this distro
Now it may not be obvious to a "good admin", so whine
about that if you want, but it still is the main
config file.
-Andrew Smith
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