Hey Jen;

Good to hear (read) from you. 

TFlan

BTW; doing anything later? 

> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:57:34 -0400
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Handicap
> 
> I haven't posted in years but this thread has held my interest. 
> 
> I've never belonged to a private club, I've been a public player with a 
> handicap for about 15 years.  I think overall the handicap system is 
> fairly effective, and like most things its the bad apples spoiling the 
> lot for the majority of us that know and play by the rules.
> 
> The weakness of the handicap system is not the way a club/course is set 
> up (tees forward/back etc.) but it's mostly human issues.  I think Don's 
> post hits one major problem on the head.  A little education would go a 
> long way, particularly around the equitable stroke control.  I would 
> like to see the systems force people to post hole by hole scores since 
> the system could then calculate ESC by itself.  People could still cheat 
> of course but at least even inflating their scores the ESC score would 
> still be the basis for handicap.
> 
> I would love to see more basic education available to players - basic or 
> common rules that are often misunderstood and how to adjust your score 
> to post it. 
> 
> I play with a lot of friends, none of whom have a handicap nor do they 
> want one.  I don't play anyone for money unless I've seen them play 
> before to know their ability (and truthfulness on the course).  I also 
> ignore my friends when they tell me how they just broke 80, 90 or 
> whatever, when I know they play mulligans at will and don't know how to 
> deal with lost balls & hazards properly!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> Don M wrote:
> > I've belonged to 3 clubs.  In each one, members entered their own scores, 
> > and there was never any effort to police the system.  No education was 
> > given to the golfers about score entry either.  It was all totally 
> > self-service.  If someone wanted to sandbag, they could.  The clubs didn't 
> > do any handicapped tourneys, so it never really came up in a setting where 
> > the club could do something about it.
> >
> > I think this is fairly common.  That's why I think the handicap system is 
> > untrustworthy.
> >
> > -Don
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